Also, we RTOC bishops will do a official statement
THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?
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Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?
One of the Greek GOC bishops publicly stated:
„the Archbishop of Athens and All Greece is the effective locum tenens of the Serbian primacy and therefore the ruling hierarch throughout the historical territories of the Serbian Church.“
Indeed, such statements are exceeded every measure of religious decency. Because of these attitudes of Greek our serbian church conscience does not allow us to continue to reside under the interim administrative authority of the Greek TOC. These are the things that refuse to transfer a larger number of clergy and faithful of the official Serbian Church to True Orthodoxy. Imagine that once the Russians did something like this to the Greek Old Calendarists… Such claims of Greeks create unforeseeable damage to the mission of True Orthodoxy in Serbia.
Such pretensions must be stopped immediately!
ПРАВОСЛАВЉЕ ИЛИ СМРТ!
Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?
sava wrote:Dear Tryphon,
Is it true that Bishop Artemije embraces the Cyprianite Ecclesiology?
Dear Br Sava's
No His Grace is a True Orthodox Bishop both in word and deed. A modern day Saint Peter of Cetinje ! In one Hand He is holding the All Holy Cross and in the other a Sword! With one blessing the faithful while with the other cutting down the enemies of the one True faith.
Not to judge anyone,but to my understanding the currently ill ( May the All Merciful master Christ have mercy upon Him ) Metropolitan of fili Cyprian came up with this Ecclesiology while in schism,defending His move from His Lawful Bishop at the time. I do belive the Greek Synod under His presidency has changed this Ecclesiology,but I might be wrong.
Bp Artemije years ago,early to mid 90's gave His blessing to a book written by one of His spiritual sons (Hieromonk Sava) called,If I am correct,Eccumenism and the time of Apostosy.In the book many modern tendencies and Canonical infractions are being written about and rightfully judged. Also the work,and missionary activities by the synod of Metropolitan Cyprian and His stand against Eccumenism are commended. From this,sorry to say many shallow readers / thinkers tried to push Bp Artemije under this same Ecclesiology. For Bp Artemijes constant attacks on Eccumenism,
modernism,inchings toward Rome and defense of ROCOR and OC's He was banned from Mount Athos by the See of the Constantipole. Boy,did He write a warm hearted reply to the EP
Bp Artemije has been spiling his blood for the one true faith for decades, In Him the Master has granted us now someone in the likes of Saint Nikolai of Zichi and Saint John of Shanghai and SF. Unfortunately neither of the two were given the proper respect while alive,but many are now giving them tearful thanks. Both were with their people the little flock of Christ,and both were persecuted by their fellow Brother Bishops. Our dear Bp Artemije is passing this thorny narrow path himself,let's thank him while we still have an opportunity. Many of our Brothers and Sisters in the GOC-Serbia have and continue to give their Love and support,even though they are under the Omophor of His Eminence Kyr Kyr Kallinikos. These pious Belivers would never endore the so-called "Cyprian ecclesiology".
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Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?
Tryphon wrote:Bp Artemije has been spiling his blood for the one true faith for decades, In Him the Master has granted us now someone in the likes of Saint Nikolai of Zichi and Saint John of Shanghai and SF. Unfortunately neither of the two were given the proper respect while alive,but many are now giving them tearful thanks. Both were with their people the little flock of Christ,and both were persecuted by their fellow Brother Bishops. Our dear Bp Artemije is passing this thorny narrow path himself,let's thank him while we still have an opportunity. Many of our Brothers and Sisters in the GOC-Serbia have and continue to give their Love and support,even though they are under the Omophor of His Eminence Kyr Kyr Kallinikos. These pious Belivers would never endore the so-called "Cyprian ecclesiology".
Where does Bp Artemije believe the Church is right now? That is what I would like an answer to. These are very flowery answers, and you talk about "Cyprianite ecclesiology" but does Bp Artemije believe that the leadership of the Church is in the Patriarchates or not?
If you can answer this question honestly and SIMPLY, I will stop being a bother.
Fr Joseph Suaidan (Suaiden, same guy)
Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?
Despotovac wrote:One of the Greek GOC bishops publicly stated:
„the Archbishop of Athens and All Greece is the effective locum tenens of the Serbian primacy and therefore the ruling hierarch throughout the historical territories of the Serbian Church.“
Indeed, such statements are exceeded every measure of religious decency. Because of these attitudes of Greek our serbian church conscience does not allow us to continue to reside under the interim administrative authority of the Greek TOC. These are the things that refuse to transfer a larger number of clergy and faithful of the official Serbian Church to True Orthodoxy. Imagine that once the Russians did something like this to the Greek Old Calendarists… Such claims of Greeks create unforeseeable damage to the mission of True Orthodoxy in Serbia.
Such pretensions must be stopped immediately!
You have your very own Vuk Brankovich - Akakios to thank for that. The lies and stories that He fed the well intentioned but gullible Hierarchy in Greece allowed Him to be ordained and sent to Holy Serbia so that He could enlighten His worldly family and friends. And when it was time to show some monastic obedience and stillness He ran to the Russians. The only thing that makes Akakije any different from the rest of the Greek clergy is that He has a Serbian drivers license. Besides that NO difference at all. Serbian Catechumen who was Baptised in the Greek Church and then tontured a monk and ( mistakenly,BIG mistake make a Priest). What pretentions does this man have with the Serbian Church? Or what kind of mushrooms are you cooking with up there? The man is delusional. Taking pictures by Saint Sava's grave in his costume from modern french designers did He ask for forgiveness for bringing the Hellenic Church onto Serbian territory? Or maybe He was asking. Forgiveness for ABANDONiNG many pious belivers whom He pulled out of the Serbian Church into the GOC and now left in order to fulfill His Fantasy. Any pictures with the Episcopal blessing???
Just remember and remember well... Bishop Artemije does not need to go to Milesevo to the grave of Saint SAVA since St. SAVA is always with HIM guiding the Serbian flock while Your dear Akakios has Vuk Brankovich always NEXT to Him.
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Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?
Tryphon wrote:The only thing that makes Akakije any different from the rest of the Greek clergy is that He has a Serbian drivers license. Besides that NO difference at all.... What pretentions does this man have with the Serbian Church? ....
Just remember and remember well... Bishop Artemije does not need to go to Milesevo to the grave of Saint SAVA since St. SAVA is always with HIM guiding the Serbian flock while Your dear Akakios has Vuk Brankovich always NEXT to Him.
Yeah, I think this says it all.
Fr Joseph Suaidan (Suaiden, same guy)
Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?
Suaiden wrote:Tryphon wrote:Bp Artemije has been spiling his blood for the one true faith for decades, In Him the Master has granted us now someone in the likes of Saint Nikolai of Zichi and Saint John of Shanghai and SF. Unfortunately neither of the two were given the proper respect while alive,but many are now giving them tearful thanks. Both were with their people the little flock of Christ,and both were persecuted by their fellow Brother Bishops. Our dear Bp Artemije is passing this thorny narrow path himself,let's thank him while we still have an opportunity. Many of our Brothers and Sisters in the GOC-Serbia have and continue to give their Love and support,even though they are under the Omophor of His Eminence Kyr Kyr Kallinikos. These pious Belivers would never endore the so-called "Cyprian ecclesiology".
Where does Bp Artemije believe the Church is right now? That is what I would like an answer to. These are very flowery answers, and you talk about "Cyprianite ecclesiology" but does Bp Artemije believe that the leadership of the Church is in the Patriarchates or not?
If you can answer this question honestly and SIMPLY, I will stop being a bother.
My dear Brother You're never a bother
Let me start off by using the words of one of our great ROCOR Hierarchs when describing the Serbian Orthodox Belivers and people. Vladika Anthony first mentioned how knowledgeable our Hellenic Brothers are regarding canons,Praxis,History,etc. Then He mentioned How pious, humble,faithful and prayerful the Russians are. Then last Vladika mentioned the Serbs whom He knew very well since He was tontured and lived in Serbia for a while. He stated neither are they knowledgeable or interested in church life as the Hellenists nor prayerful and pious like the Russians ; But GOD forbid if they hear that someone is doing something ( Clergy ) or changing what they should not,the Serbs would take a knife and kill Him for their customs and traditions.
Now Brother these prophetic words many years later are sadly coming true; Some Bishops are or better said were sending Ukaz's to their Clergy to read silent prayers aloud and to serve EVERY liturgy with Open Royal doors and Deacon doors; some were going to go as far as to remove entire Iconostases. Then the Church ( the faithful belivers) stood up and started fighting back against the innovators,whom I belive wanted to test the pulse of the people. Modernist Bishops, and I do not condone it, were being hit with bricks and to this day some are having police escorts. Faithful belivers would gather with Icons and hold copies of Bishop council meetings where it was FORBIDEN that the modernist change anything and for everything to be done correctly and uniformly throughout all diocese. Priests who wouldn't follow the synodal instructions ( on behalf of their in subordinate Bishops) were not allowed into the Churches to serve against the typikon. When the police would be called in and the Priest escorted by the police into the Church,He would serve in an empty church,while close to a hundred belivers would be in front chanting hymns to Saints Sava's, Nikolai ,and Justin.
There are many Clergy members mostly white ( Married ) who have been either harassed or intimidated by their Bishops and do to family concerns have been obedient while some Have even overcome this Human Love for the greatest Love of all Christ GOD and would not succumb neither to threats or intimidation. There is a great canyon separating the Great Historic Serbian Church. A Synod seems most certain to form around and with Bp Artemije its just that needless blood shed is trying to be avoided at all costs ,except for the cost of the truth. Every week and once a month the faithful numbering into the hundreds are gathering in front of the Patriarchate protesting and defending the 1100 year History of Serbian Orthodox Christianity.
Does Bp Artemije reconize the current Serbian Patriarch ??? Officially He does not reconize the anti-Canonical infractions and decisions against Himself or the Monastics and Clergy under His Omophor. Vladika stated,we won't talk about grace for now,but what need to we have To talk about it When the Serbian Patriarch is lighting Jewish Menorahs these actions speak for themselves. Does He belive All Serbian Bishops are grace filled? Certainly not ! One in particular who is very close to the EP's "Met. John Zizulas" Vladika Artemije wrote a book attacking the heresy's of "Bp Ignatius" where the latter talks about the death of the soul and hence no resurrection, Bishop Artemije boldly wrote and stated that this one could only be allowed back into the Church through repentance. This case was never brought in time to the Sabor and then the persecution of Bp Artemije hit full blast.
Everything for Christ GOD ,but Christ for nothing.
Orthodoxy or Death.
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