Another Russian group

[Priest Siluan]

This group is not a real Catacomb Group, they come from UAOC. Rafael Prokopiev, their leader is a former official of the Red Army. Here (in Russian) you could know more about them.

Blagoslovite: Forgive me for asking but aren't some of their bishops originally from the Seraphimo-Gennadites? They aren't UAOC, and they are indisputably a Catacomb Church, except that Abp Lazar of Tambov demanded their reconsecration at his hands.

Dear Farther Joseph:

Bog blagoslovite!

If Rafaelites are Catacombniks. Why do they commemorates the Neo Soviet powers? Why did/do they recognize the UAOC and their "Consecrations"?

My intention is not to attack (neither it is interesting for me at all) the group of Rafael Prokopiev (or Motovilov?), but many things are not "ok " with them. They are not respected or taken seriously not only in the RTOC ("Lazarites") party, but in every Russian TOC circle. God and time will tell...

in Christ

Priest Siluan

[Suaidan]

Dear Farther Joseph:

Bog blagoslovite!

If Rafaelites are Catacombniks. Why do they commemorates the Neo Soviet powers? Why did/do they recognize the UAOC and their "Consecrations"?

My intention is not to attack (neither it is interesting for me at all) the group of Rafael Prokopiev (or Motovilov?), but many things are not "ok " with them. They are not respected or taken seriously not only in the RTOC ("Lazarites") party, but in every Russian TOC circle. God and time will tell...

in Christ

Priest Siluan

Well, I would agree there are still questions about them as a whole. To my knowledge they don't commemorate the Soviet or neo-Soviet powers. But that said, I was referring to the Seraphimo-Gennadites, not specifically the ones under Metr Raphael or his group in general. As far as I can see, their confession of faith is fairly standard concerning both the MP and Sergianism.

[Ekklisiastikos]

Where did it come this bunch of bishops?
http://www.metropolsynodgoc.com/news.html
http://www.metropolsynodgoc.com/communion.html
We think that there aren't any other vagante group self styled as "traditional" that Aggelos of Aulona is not in communion with.
Their bishops are more populous than the faithful..

[Priest Siluan]

Where did it come this bunch of bishops?
http://www.metropolsynodgoc.com/news.html
http://www.metropolsynodgoc.com/communion.html
We think that there aren't any other vagante group self styled as "traditional" that Aggelos of Aulona is not in communion with.
Their bishops are more populous than the faithful..

The same thing is in Russia with the Rafaelites, they have more Bishops than priests and deacons, and they are more Clergy than faithful. God may keep us from such "Likopimenes"...

[Priest Siluan]

Where did it come this bunch of bishops?
http://www.metropolsynodgoc.com/news.html
http://www.metropolsynodgoc.com/communion.html
We think that there aren't any other vagante group self styled as "traditional" that Aggelos of Aulona is not in communion with.
Their bishops are more populous than the faithful..

Dear Ekklisiastikos:

I saw there on one of those links a picture about Met. Angelos dress a white "Klobuk", I think it is not traditional among the Greek Tradition, but it is only traditional in the Slavonic tradition.

[Ekklisiastikos]

Dear father..,Aggelos' "synod" is a continuous carnival parade! So, he is free to wear anything he wants..!

[Ekklisiastikos]

we are in the pleasante position to announce that the Hierarchs consisting our Holy Synod, are already 7, after the join of two famous (for their spiritual work) Caucasian Hierarchs: Metropolitan of Abhazia and Sconditsky IOATHAM and (future-be) Metropolitan of Tbilishi and Khartlinsky CHRISTOPHOR. But for them there will be an extended article in the near future...

WHO ARE THEY?

"Στήν σημερινή Γνησίαν Ὀρθόδοξον Ρωσικήν Ἐκκλησία (ὅπως ὀνομάζεται πλέον ἡ Σύνοδος τῶν Κατακομβῶν) ἀριθμοῦνται 31 Ἀρχιερεῖς, πλεῖστοι τῶν ὁποίων (συμπεριλαμβανομένου καί τοῦ Προέδρου κ.κ. Ραφαήλ) προέρχονται ἀπό αὐτό τό «ρεῦμα» (τόν κυρίαρχο ὅγκο τοῦ πληρώματος τῶν Ἰωσηφιτῶν), τοὐτέστιν εἶναι αὐθεντικοί «Κατακομβίτες», μέ ἀδιάσπαστον ὡστόσον τήν Ἀποστολικήν Διαδοχήν. Καί κάνομεν ἐτούτην τήν ἀναγκαίαν διάκρισιν, διότι ὑπάρχουν καί «Κατακομβίτες» μέ προβληματική κανονικότητα, «Κατακομβίτες» πού ἐπεχείρησαν νά ἀναπτύξουν ἰδίαν δρᾶσιν.
Ἀπόδειξις τούτου, εἶναι, ὅτι ἡ ὑπό τόν Μητροπολίτην Ραφαήλ Γνησία Ὀρθόδοξος Ρωσική Ἐκκλησία εἶναι ἡ ΜΟΝΗ νομιμοποιημένη ἀπό τό Ρωσικόν Κράτος ἐκκλησιαστική δικαιοδοσία, ἐκτός τοῦ Πατριαρχείου τῆς Μόσχας!"

Google tran:

The today's Genuine Russian Orthodox Church (now named as the Catacomb Church) numbers 31 Hierarchs, most of which (including the Chairman, Mr Raphael) come from this 'flow ' (the dominant size of the crew of Iosifiton) ie are authentic "Katakomvites"with unbroken Apostolic succession, however. This distinction is necessary, because there are "Katakomvites" with problematic regularity, "Katakomvites" which attempted to develop their own actions.
This is evidenced by the fact that the Genuine Russian Orthodox Church under Metropolitan Rafael is the only legitimated by the Russian state ecclesiastical jurisdiction outside the Patriarchate of Moscow!

IS THIS TRUE? How vague is the term "legitimated by the Russian state"..