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George,

They were not to subtle, I understood it, but since you said those things after saying "And Ioannis...", I presumed it was wrongly directed at me.

It seems Justin started this latest episide as an "agonstic", but I have gleaned from his blog the last time I looked that he was quetioning all faith, and that science was all that was worthy. I could be wrong but I infered that he had become an atheist. Perhaps it is you who is not listening? ;)

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ioannis wrote:

I have gleaned ...<snip>... I could be wrong but I infered ..... Perhaps it is you who is not listening?

Interesting theory you have there. You "glean", you "could be wrong", you "infer", and from this you deduce that I'm possibly not listening.
You clearly said that Justin identifies as an Atheist:

ioannis wrote:

George, he has said himself publicly that he is an aethist, and a few other things. So I am not making reference to this as an "insult", but as an important factor in his life

So again let me ask you to reference where he has actually said this, rather than simply referencing what you have "inferred". Or are you happy just breaking the ninth Commandment of the Decalogue?
As I said to you before:

George Australia wrote:

Justin is not an atheist, but if he becomes one, I am sure Christ will have mercy on him taking into consideration the confusion and scandal caused by what His alleged followers say and do in His Name.

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George,

Maybe you should take Justin to task for taking a thread that has nothing to do with our personal "issue" and refocusing it on my various shortcomings.

But to the point. I'm having a hard time following you. Are you suggesting that I am bailing on Justin? I actually said nothing of the sort nor implied it; you are assuming such if that is the impression you got. I again encouraged him to persue education and make a positive contribution to the scholarly community since he is obviously intelligent (and moreso than I am as I stated). If I didn't care about Justin, I would not suggest this. I am direct with my assertion that he is whimsical because I would like to see him stop relying on internet websites and a few books to make his cases and get a solid education that he can use to make whatever arguments he wants. I don't see that as bailing on anyone.

My pointing out my feelings of annoyance and frustration are not writing him off but merely explaining why sometimes I reacted in the gossipy and unwarrented satirical ways that I did, which I admitted were a mistake. I genuinely did like Justin and still do as a matter of fact, but I have to admit that sometimes I found him annoying and frustrating which is what prompted an occasional reaction. You see, as much as Justin wishes to claim that I was the gossip and he did things in public, I know that is not true, but I will not be spreading any more details. So please don't suggest I am bailing on Justin. If I were bailing on Justin, I would be like "whatever dude" and leave it at that, or have some other inappropriate harsh response.

However, Justin you are obviously still bothered by my past actions so I will publicly say, I am sorry that I offended you, satirized you, and gossiped about you. This was UnChristian of me and I repent of my sinful deeds. Please forgive me and I intend to not repeat such past behaviors again.

Anastasios

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Anastasios,
Yes, I was concerned that you might have been bailing on Justin, and I apologise for taking this interpretation. Having worked as a Mediator, I guess when people start saying to each other things like: "I have always had mixed feelings towards you" I tend to take it as an ill omen for the relationship. I see now that you didn't mean it that way, and I'm sorry for assuming you did.
Personally I like you both. And personally sometimes you both bug me for different reasons (as I'm sure I bug you both also). But I'd gladly be stand up guy for either of you (even for Justin who thinks I'm such a cynical, uncompassionate pig. :P )
George

PS: I would now like to quote from some contemporary Fathers and Mothers who had some wise words to say:

"You and I can share the silence
Finding comfort together
The way old friends do
And after fights and words of violence
We make up with each other
The way old friends do
Times of joy and times of sorrow
We will always see it through
Oh I don't care what comes tomorrow
We can face it together
The way old friends do."
-'The Way Old Friends Do' by ABBA (REAL version- 56kb)

"As long as it depends on Monothelitism, then Miaphysitism is nothing but a variant of Monophysitism."

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