Israeli Military Crimes In Lebanon

[StephenG]

No, ochi, niet.................. I agree wholeheartedly with Father Nikolai. The Israeli Defence Force while it has a significant majority 'Hebrew' make-up, also includes Druze and Arab members. Indeed it was one of these that was recently - one too few, admittedly - that was convicted of shooting an innocent observer, without due cause.

indeed I would round on any who persistently criticise the challenging of this 'nasty' and 'insidious' wish to always preface any criticism of Israel by stubbornly insisting on using the word 'Jew' instead.

Indeed anyone who having received the illumination of baptism and then betrays Christ, may according to my poor understanding of The Fathers, be referred to as 'Jews', i.e. rejecting and scorning Our Saviour and Messiah, Jesus the God-man.

Eccentric and seemingly bigotted responses to crisis and provocations like the Lebanon tragedy make it too easy for the defenders of disproportionate action by Israel and the sanctioning by their actions by the United States and others to ridicule and dismiss our legitimate voice.

In researching the issues I have drawn a lot of historical and critical information from Jews living both in Israel and in the diaspora who are also appalled by Israeli oppression of the Palestinians and the crimes committed both presently and previously by the IDF, including the infamous Unit 101.

No, no, no Iconophili. Speak out with courage and soberly against injustice but using exactitude in your language please.......

[Panagiotis]

To be "Proper" would be to call "The Roman Catholic Church" "The Paypist Church" To be proper IS to call jews "Jews" Not "Israel"

No offense, but you insult me not only as an Orthodox Christian but also as a converted Jew. With people like you who bash with speculation and hate makes me want to convert back from your contempted Christian love.

No, I do not support Israel and its actions against Lebanon or Palestine. I do not support war, period. I will only support a defensive assault, which includes our steps into WWII as an example. I did nbot support the Iraqi invasion and I pray we are able to leave that place as soon as possible with the least amount of damage done to it mentally, physically and economically.

I love Judaism. I love where Judaism took me, which is Orthodox Christianity. The issue I have is when guys like yourself pounds out this Anti-Jewish spittle and claims its the actions of the Jews, not the Israeli Government.

Why dont you go to your priest with this post, print it out without any changes and ask him if he thinks you are in the right on your zealous hatred. As I have always told people who post like this: pray for those who give you the urge to bring up hatred. Pray for your enemies, even if you probably have never ever met one.

Kyrie Eleison,
Panagiotis

[ICONOPHILI]

To be "Proper" would be to call "The Roman Catholic Church" "The Paypist Church" To be proper IS to call jews "Jews" Not "Israel"

No offense, but you insult me not only as an Orthodox Christian but also as a converted Jew. With people like you who bash with speculation and hate makes me want to convert back from your contempted Christian love.

No, I do not support Israel and its actions against Lebanon or Palestine. I do not support war, period. I will only support a defensive assault, which includes our steps into WWII as an example. I did nbot support the Iraqi invasion and I pray we are able to leave that place as soon as possible with the least amount of damage done to it mentally, physically and economically.

I love Judaism. I love where Judaism took me, which is Orthodox Christianity. The issue I have is when guys like yourself pounds out this Anti-Jewish spittle and claims its the actions of the Jews, not the Israeli Government.

Why dont you go to your priest with this post, print it out without any changes and ask him if he thinks you are in the right on your zealous hatred. As I have always told people who post like this: pray for those who give you the urge to bring up hatred. Pray for your enemies, even if you probably have never ever met one.

Kyrie Eleison,
Panagiotis

My Preist IS the one who taught me most about the people known as The "Zionists" The "Illuminati" The Masons" BTW do a back round reasearch and you'll see the most powerful leaders in this Nation are not ANGLO-Americans, but Jewish-Americans.

[Panagiotis]

My Preist IS the one who taught me most about the people known as The "Zionists" The "Illuminati" The Masons"

If you could show me some of the documentation regarding the Illuminati I would be thrilled, simply because outside of Germany it never existed. And one other note: If it was a Jewish secret society trying to take over the world, why were there no Jews on the roster when they dismantled the group in 1831? Not one record ever showed anyone of Jewish origin. Oddly, it was made up of 100% Masons. The supposed letter of authenticity did bring a huge killing from the German State against the Jews living there, whgo wre never a part of the society, so there goes that one. Yes, I did my homework, for about ten years of Secret Society research for a thesis I am still working on.

The Masons, until the 20th century never recruited known practicing Jews. The few who were discovered were put on trial, excommunicated and sometimes killed. So, I doubt this is one of those Jewish groups as well, out to take over the world.

The Zionists, as in either the Israeli government or the Protestant evangelixcals who will do anything to keep up ties with Israel brought about by bad doctrinal interpretation? Though the power of the Zionists could be something of a state of Power, it is mainly found here in the US. So okay. One group of people helping out the Nation of Israel, some of them Jews but mostly made up of Pro-Israeli Evangelicals.

But why the hatred of a people? Do you hate me because I am Jewish? I am a Jew by blood and Orthodox by Faith. Should you still hate me? DO you hate my family because they are Jewish and have yet to receive Messiah? Should they be hated? Does your Priest after showing/revealing/illuminating you with this information hate Jews too? Where is the love of those who hate you and giving the shirt to those who persecute you and are set to destroy you? My Christ is a God of Peace and Love, who turned His cheek so the enemy could smite the other side of His face. Throwing hate to a race of people is not this type of compassion but disgusting. I never thought I would say this but if he gave this information to you he was misinformed, probably by the internet which contains horrible lies and not correct information regarding any of these "Secret Societies".

Yes, the Masons are not a wonderful group, and the Masons in Europe are dead set against Orthodoxy and desire to raze us to the ground. But do not throw in some ZIonistic taste to them because it is not there. Yes the Bavarian Illuminati existed, but it was disbanded in 1831 by a law. Adam Weishaupt was nothing more than a university professor with little influence outside his classroom. There were no Jews on the roster for their "club". If you say otherwise, it is mere speculation and is nothing more than the wind.

BTW do a back round reasearch and you'll see the most powerful leaders in this Nation are not ANGLO-Americans, but Jewish-Americans.

I did look up the most powerful men and I added "Jew" to the search. I came up with everything you typed. No background, no historical documentation, no substance. Just a bunch of hatred and swastikas, sadly. The most informative site was a Nazi party site with everything you are saying and then some more added to hate the Jew. But nothing but specualtion and second guessing and filling in the blanks with "Jew" in it. Ridiculous.

The most interesting site I found after I took off "Jew" in the search was a Russian Diamond Mining company who has the power to flood the market and destroy the world eceonmy for decades and put us into a depression worse than ever recorded. Now thats powerful! And no Jews are involved, directly... LOL

Please, if you are fearful or hateful of the Jews then pray for them.

Blessings,
Panagiotis

[Ebor]

Greetings Pangiotis,

Before you get into any thread on conspiracy topics with Mr./Ms Iconophili, I would like to suggest that you look at some of the others that this person started, or was a part of. Unless there is some change from past behaviour that person will not entertain any ideas or facts that disagree with his/her ideas nor address seriously any data that does not fit. Instead there will be repetition, possible namecalling and statements that any who disagree are "debunked" but this repeating of conspiracies and dubious sources.

There is a thread "Iconophili's Great Big Thread of Conspiracies!" that shows how this person deals with disagreement.
http://euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6201

With respect,

Ebor