Dostoyevski and the Fate of Holy Russia

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Now we come to a very delicate topic that has bothered mankind from its beginning, that of choseness. The idea itself has led to so much suffering and so much tribulation among all nations that it is difficult to understand why people still wants to cling to it. Almost all, I believe, understands what this idea has led to in relation to the jewish people. If you look closely at one interpretation of jewish religion and nazism, they seem to be very much alike in some aspects. They both seems to look on other people and tribes with scepticism and in the same time exalts their own special significance in the history of mankind.

It is indeed true that God chosed to reveal his faith to the jewish nation, but in christian theology, traditional theology, this was because of the merits of the prophets and righteous jews, the anawims. Salvation will come to the world through the jewish nation. But this does not mean that the jews are more worthy or special in Gods eyes as a RACE, as a ethinicity. We know this because St Paul in his epistles wrote clearly that the old testament was CONDITIONED. If the jews did not prove wothy, God would take the covenant from them and give to another people: AND HE DID. His plan was to reveal himself to all mankind through Jesus Christ. Only those who in humility accept Christ are worthy in Gods eyes. We come to the Father through his Son.

Now, if we look on the slavs, we can se in history that they were (and many still are) a model for christian life. When greek priests came to visit Rus from Byzantine Empire they were amazed at the piousness among the russians. "They all lived like true chirstians". There is also known that the russians always were worried about the Holy Tradition and wanted to keep it strong and were afraid that they did not had interpreter the tradition right. This led to the problem with the Old Believers, a group the Byzanitne greek never understood the arguments of. But according to some byzantine experts that I have read, the debate between old believers and followers of Nikon were just this awareness of Traidition and the afraidness to have interpreted the traidtion in a wrong way. Russian nationalism (and serbian) is rooted in the knowledge that Byzantine empire was transferred from Byzantine to Rus. They saw their nation as chosen by God to continue the Byzantine tradition.

Then we have the greek orthodox nationalism. Some greeks I have spoken to say openly that God chosed the greeks to be the special New Testament people in a specifik way. And they have a strong argument: All the texts of the New Testament except one were written in greek, all the most important Fathers of the Church are greek, most of the General COuncils if not all, were summoned by the greek Byzantine Emperor. Many greeks confused orthodoxy with empire, it was one and the same thing for them. The empires cause, was the orthodox cause. The word christian did not appear among the greeks till modern times and their faith was not a religion, everything was evident, the same. Orthodoxy was not one faith among faiths, it was the Reality.

And then we have Gods word: Here are neither Jew or Greek, all are one in Christ.

I love St Seraphim of Sarov, but on this point he is wrong.

Nikodemus

Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword...from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.

Oswald Spengler

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I love St Seraphim of Sarov, but on this point he is wrong.

St. Seraphim was a servant of God and is now living in His Kingdom. What St. Seraphim stated was not of his own personal view. He lived in the state of Theosis and therefore, what he said was a direct message from God. St. Seraphim was not wrong, because he was relating the message from God and God, is obviously, not wrong about His own Will.

Another prophesy states that St. Seraphim will come and preach in the streets of Russia, at the end of times.

Do not doubt St. Seraphim. He is a servant of God.

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Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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I'm sure everyone agrees that rather on dwelling on who is "chosen", who is not, we should try to be the best Christians we can, and recognize holiness wherever it is found. Maybe the Slavs will ultimately be the only ones to preserve a Christian society as a whole, but that doesn't mean that no one else will be saved, or that we shouldn't spread the Gospel.

I have the impression that some people think it's more important to rebuild Holy Russia than do missionary work in non-Orthodox countries. The Russian Revolution was a huge tragedy, of course, and every effort should be made to help Russia become an Orthodox country once again, but I don't hear about a lot of missionary work done by the Orthodox...I'm starting to get off topic...

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Sorry, I should have posted that in the topic's new location...and upon further reflection, I do realize that all of us in the west are missionaries, in that we are Orthodoxy's witnesses to our non-Orthodox neighbors...anyway, I'm sure that somewhere in the archives there's a dicscussion on the Church's philosophy on missionary work...

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Joasia

Dont worry, I may have interpreted St Sarov in a wrong way

Michigan

I see orthodox mission everywhere, because the fisrt orthodox mission is in our hearts. Wherever there is a monastery there is a mission, a spiritual mission. How much mission have not been the fruit of, for example, the monks on Athos? Without them, I think Greece would have sunk in the ocean for its many sins in modern times.

Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword...from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.

Oswald Spengler

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Nathaniel

A very thoughtful point about Dostoevsky. I read The Idiot last year, but liked it least of Dostoevsky's works. Maybe I'll have to read it again, this time with my spiritual eyes open more widely.

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Thank you Justin for you very kind words. I am unworthy.

unworthy nathaniel

PS - Please feel free to email me at bronathaniel@yahoo.com. I have a sense that you and I have a lot in common.

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