Peter and Justin,
What is the main reason that you two think this icon is sick? I myself thought that it was a little strange but I have seen other icons of heretics being overturned by saints. What's different about this icon?
Anastasios
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Anastasios,
Are you serious? You don't understand why this is a sick image?
I certainly couldn't venerate an icon like this.
In addition, I believe that the sickness is deeply seeded in the iconagrapher and the hierarch who approved this pathetic image.
Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)
joasia wrote:Anastasios,
Are you serious? You don't understand why this is a sick image?
I certainly couldn't venerate an icon like this.
In addition, I believe that the sickness is deeply seeded in the iconagrapher and the hierarch who approved this pathetic image.
I ignore who is the iconographer or bishop to that jurisdiction belongs. What indeed I know is that this supposed icon had been a debate topic.
Here is the icon of Mark Ephesus with a scroll proclaiming Orthodoxy while the Pope of Rome cowers on the ground with his hands covering his ears.This is recent, but I have seen an older version of this icon as well but have been unable to find it as of yet.
I do not like this Saint Joseph of Petrograd icon myself, but would have if it was modeled on the above icon instead.
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joasia wrote:Anastasios,
Are you serious? You don't understand why this is a sick image?
I certainly couldn't venerate an icon like this.
In addition, I believe that the sickness is deeply seeded in the iconagrapher and the hierarch who approved this pathetic image.
Joasia,
How is this icon different than other images of saints overturning heretics? (I have an idea, but I want to see what others have to say). That was the nature of my question. Note my disapproval of the icon in my post.
Anastasios
Anastasios,
I'm not very knowledgable in icons. But, my first impressions are that it is a violent depiction which I would not venerate, it's personalized to a specific groups(and people) and is Joseph a saint? Even if he was(like the icon of St Mark), it's not an appropriate depiction.
The enemy is not the the person who is the hierarch, but the source of their actions, which is satan. A topical cleansing will not eliminate the source. We have to pray for the heretics to come back to the truth and we should all remember who the true enemy is. Only with love in our hearts, will we win the spiritual warefare, even if we lose a few battles. But, instead of recognizing our pride and remember Christ's law, we become divided and satan laughs at us.
Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)