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George Australia
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ARTEMON wrote:

you as an Orthodox are supposed to remember all of the evil....

Oh? Am I?
So you are saying that all the Fathers such as St. John Klimakos are in error who teach that "rememberance of wrongs" is a sin which prevents our our own sins from being forgiven?

St. John Klimakos wrote:

"Rememberance of wrongs is the consumation of anger, the keeper of sins, hatred of righteousness, ruin of virtues, poison of the soul, worm of the mind, shame of prayer, cessation of supplication, estrangement of love, a nail stuck in the soul, pleasureless feeling cherished in the sweetness of bitterness, continuous sin, unsleeping transgression, hourly malice"
The Ladder of Divine Ascent- St. John Klimakos, Step 9:2

Should I listen to you instead of St. John Klimakos, Artemon, and "remember wrongs" so as to become 'bitter', and a 'hater of righteousness' and 'sin continously', and go insane with 'poison of the soul and a worm in the mind', and end up in Hell where my sins deserve? That doesn't sound like a good idea to me- in fact, it seems as though fornicators will find more mercy on the Day of Judgement than those who 'remember wrongs'.
Instead of making '1000 prostrations', I would prefer it 1000 times more if you prayed just one "Our Father",
and mean it when you pray: "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us".
"They" did to "us", and "we" did to "them"- either we learn to live together as brothers, or we will perish together in gehenna as fools.

"As long as it depends on Monothelitism, then Miaphysitism is nothing but a variant of Monophysitism."

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