Protocols of the Elders of Zion

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What is your point, be extreamly spacific because I'm lost???????????????

[Miriam]

The point is simple.....

Worry about the state of your soul today....Leave the future to itself...it will arrive whether we want it to or not. Assigning blame for what has yet to happen or will happen is NOT the task of an Orthodox person. His/her task is to prepare their soul for their end. Otherwise we become no better than the pharisee who stood in the temple and said...see Lord, I'm better than him.

Prophesy will fulfill itself without us trying to force it along.

Miriam

[Etienne]

Just revisited this thread, one which I find uncomfortable.

In various Orthodox writings I recall the word 'Jew" sometimes used in a particular way:

That is to denote both those who rejected The Messiah during his First Coming, and those who continue to reject him because in both cases Our Saviour was/is not the Messiah they wanted/want. This may include some who would not normally be reckoned as "Jews".

What makes me uncomfortable is irrational and blind bigotry against a race. I acknowledge my own opposition to Israeli behaviour to the Palestinian people since the inception of the Israeli state. I never forget that the people of the Old Covenant were Jews, as were Our Saviour, His blessed mother, The Theotokos and the Holy Apostles.

Some American protestants seem to have a peculiar attachment to Israel and its present dominant population which appears to excuse anything and everything they do to the Palestinian people, finding no irony that a people who were so appalling treated in the period 1933-1945 may to a degree inflict similar behaviours on another people. Others seem to regard every Jew as part of some sinister conspiracy, despite the fact that any secret known to three or more people does not long remain a secret.

I repeat my earlier statement the Protocols of the Elders of Zion belong in the bin, being a piece of poisonous fiction seized on by Nationalist bigots from time to time including the infamous Nazi Party............

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You are wrong when you say you think it refurs to anyone who rejects Xrictoc, there is no writings that I have read that state this by the Fathers, go to Valaam Monastery and ask Elder Raphel what the Churches position is on the ACCURSED JEWS.

[Miriam]

Artemon,

I find your position disturbing. Perhaps if we had spent less millenia hating the "Accursed Jews" and more millenia trying to fulfill Christ's commandment to love one another, then perhaps more of "those" people would have found their way to Christ. All be have done is perpetuate hate, bigotry, racism and legalism.

Miriam

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You are a blasphemer now you have accused the people of God (Orthodox Christians) for those people not choosing not to beleive in Xrictoc ,AND if you don't know the Church teaching on the jews then don't coment on Euphnosynoscafe.com all these projew statements cuz u r spreding wrong info about them. NONE of them will convert until the antichrist says "recieve my mark" this has been "clearly" Prophecied by St. Romano the Melodist, you claimed this claimage before that one of the things we Orthodox should concentrate on is prophecies well here is some Prophecies about those jews now you've tring to chage the subject and do everything to make us Orthodox not talk about the jews have you ever notice that of all the people we're being told to look at as people who have been picked no "not just in hitlers time but even before " are jews have you noticed that, You need to go to a Holy Monastery and I CHALENGE you to ask a holy ElDER about these jews.You are a folower of the true Faith how come you have said St.Nicholas Tsar of Russia is wrong if he said jews are behind revolution wow you speak about how we shouldn't allow the world to brainwash us well you and Orthodox like you have alowed the world to make you turn against your own fellow Orthodox in a defence of the people how have been prophecied against as "THE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS" WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE CALLED ENEMIES OF THE CROSS because they rejected and crucifide Xrictoc NO!! not just because of that, but because of that AND of all the things they are going to do to eliminate Christianity thats why I know I recomend Elder Raphael, In all of this commotion you have'nt even notice to ask how come in the times of the Orthodox Empires Roman(Byzantine) Russian there wasn't all this projew movements, ask Elders real traditional Orthodox scholars why and you'll get the answer. by the way have you ever heard of Elder Paisios of Mount Athos?

[Etienne]

Artemon

I am unable to due to disability to unpack and assemble my library or I might dig up some substantiated responses, so forgive the paucity of a response.

First, my track record discounts any credible suggestion of pro-Jewishness, indeed I suspect that many - Zionists in particular - would say with you as a friend we don't need enemies.

Second, I too have an Christian Orthodox upbringing and I do not recall being called to hate anyone but only their sin. Yes, there were those who rejected Him and those who will reject Him, these will include those who call themselves Christians.

Third, risking a charge of double standards I set out the following

From the Arena, by Saint Ignaty Brianchaninov

If you want to be a true, zealous son of the Orthodox Church, you can do so by the fulfillment of the commandments of the Gospel in regard to your neighbour. Do not dare convict him. Do not dare to teach him. Do not dare to condemn or reproach him. To correct your neighbour in this way is not an act of faith, but of foolish zeal, self-opinion and pride. Poemen the Great was asked, "What is faith?" The great man replied that faith consists in remaining in humility and showing mercy; that is to say, in humbling oneself before one's neighbours and forgiving them all discourtesies and offences, all their sins. As foolish zealots make out that faith is the prime cause of their zeal, let them know that true faith, and consequently also true zeal, must express themselves in humility regarding our neighbours and in mercy towards them. Let us leave the work of judging and convicting people to those persons on whose shoulders is laid the duty of judging and ruling their brethren.

"He who is moved by false zeal", said Saint Isaac the Syrian, "is suffering from a severe illness. O man, you who think to use your zeal against the infirmities of others, you have renounced the health of your own soul! You had better bestow your care on of the healing of yourself, and if you want to heal the sick, know tath the sick need nursing, rather than a reprimand. But you, instead of healing others, cast yourself into the same painful illness. This zeal is not counted among men as a form of wisdom, but, as one of the diseases of the soul, and as a sign of norrow-mindedness and extreme ignorance. The beginning of divine wisdom is quietness and meekness, which is the basic state of mind proper to great and strong souls, and which bears human weakness.
"You who are strong ought to bear with the failings of the weak"' says Scripture (Romans 15, verse 1).