From today's Vertograd: Holy Synod begins Abp Gregory case

user_344 · Post by **user_344** » Mon 12 July 2004 2:41 pm

Gregory is not a bishop. He has repeatedly and voluntarily submitted himself to several bishops over the years, yet refuses to recognize their authority over him. I promise you, if history is any guide, he will not recognize the "ROAC Holy Synod" as having canonical authority to discipline him. I would personally argue he is not even an Orthodox Christian, but a mentally-ill pseudo-Christian who does nothing but bring harm to true believers and the Church itself.... And none of this is changed by how "nice" or "pious" he may seem.

Etienne · Post by **Etienne** » Mon 12 July 2004 7:04 pm

It is saddening to see this whole sorry spectacle - and that is what is has become - unravel. As there is to be a Church hearing would it not be better to await the outcome rather than so many reaching their own verdict in advance?

This affair is deeply unedifying and somewhere only the Devil can be pleased. Perhaps the only thing left is to wait and to pray for all those involved, for they like us will be required to give an answer at that Dread Day of Judgement.

Justin Kissel · Post by **Justin Kissel** » Tue 13 July 2004 10:54 am

TomS

So, tell me. Why didn't you all see Gregory's PAST before? It was OBVIOULSY there for everyone ELSE to see.

Some people knew the stories, but they did not believe them. Perhaps they were correct in disbelieving, perhaps incorrect. But I do not think it does any good second-guessing past decisions now. Especially when we are second-guessing the decisions of others (ie. judging them)

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Tue 13 July 2004 6:51 pm

Justin Kissel wrote:
But I do not think it does any good second-guessing past decisions now.

Have you ever heard of "learning from one's mistakes" How else do you think you learn? How can you be SURE that you will not repeat the same mistake again unless you evaluate WHY you made a prior bad decision?

Justin Kissel wrote:
Especially when we are second-guessing the decisions of others (ie. judging them)

You are wrong -- I am attempting to teach the basics of good decision making.

Would you jump head first into a pool of water without first finding out how deep it is?

Грешник · Post by **Грешник** » Wed 14 July 2004 3:43 am

Tom,

Would you jump head first into a pool of water without first finding out how deep it is?

It depends on how hot it is outside!

Juvenaly
http://www.orthodoxynow.com

Justin Kissel · Post by **Justin Kissel** » Wed 14 July 2004 12:47 pm

But Tom, we are not dealing with a situation of learning from one's own mistakes in these last few posts (I agree with you on that point). We are dealing with a situation of Tom trying to point out to others what mistakes they have made, and then giving them unsolicited advice as to how to rectify the perceived error.

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Wed 14 July 2004 11:16 pm

Justin Kissel wrote:
We are dealing with a situation of Tom trying to point out to others what mistakes they have made, and then giving them unsolicited advice as to how to rectify the perceived error.

1) Oh wow! "The perceived error"?

2) Did you really mean to write "the perceived error".

3) Okay. Let me get this straight; you see it as a "the perceived error" on my part.

4) Let's contemplate those words:

"the perceived error".

5) Please don't misuderstand my intentions. Let me make it perfectly clear that I am giving you UNSOLICITED advice relating to your

"perceived error".