Macedonian Orthodox Church?

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Why? Is what I said not true? thats what I read in a book.

[romiosini]

Lord Have Mercy!

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I was wondering do you think that the O.C.A. actually was a secret communist Church desiegned to take bring communism in to U.S.A. by unscrupulis Russian Americans? I know that sounds wierd but this guy said that St.Tikon gave a blessing for Church Abroad to break away because of communisim but not O.C.A. he said he thinks O.C.A. was supposed teach communist stuff to unsuspecting Russia Americans then hoppfully in turn Rus Americans will teach communist ideaolgies to regular Americans he said though it never worked out for the USSR Gov, what do you think? by the way do you know if there is any documented statements by nonRussian Orthodox Churches AGAINST communisim I'm in this debate with these nonpracticing Russians about Orthodoxy and Monarchy is what God wants, and I want to get my facts straight before I get into this next level of conversations witk them, (there saying wrong things about St.Tsar NicholasII)

[Seraphim Reeves]

ROCOR was the administration created on the basis of St.Tikhon's Ukaze (regarding the administration of Russian Churches outside of Russia after the communist take-over.) Both the OCA (formerly known as the "Metropolia") and the European Russian Orthodox now under the juristiction of the Ecumenical Patriarch, were willingly submitted to this Synod (ROCOR) but broke away from it for varying reasons - the "Pariseans"/European schism putting itself under the EP, the Metropolia going to the thoroughly communist controlled "MP" (Moscow Patriarchate).

In large part, the then Metropolia's move was a deal with the devil for worldly fortunes - for the MP, it meant the appearance of legitimacy (still in charge of pre-revolutionary Russian missions abroad, giving the appearance of continuity with the Russian Orthodox Church), and so too did it mean legitimacy for the Metropolia. Actually not simple legitimacy, but even a stake to superiority since the granting of "autocephalus" status by the MP had the appearances of making the Metropolia THE native Orthodox Church of the Americas (hence the name change - OCA). Of course, for various reasons (but eventually, not for the best of them; namely, the MP's illegitimacy and fundamental ability to bless a potato, let alone grant autocephalus status to a local church) this status is recognized by almost no one - least of all by the EP, which strictly speaking touts the line that the Americas belong to it (under the pretext of ancient canons which place the "lands of the barbarians" under their control...of course those who wrote said rules did not even know about the new world, but this doesn't seem to phase the EP.)

One thing which definately separated the old ROCOR from the factions which eventually broke from her, was a consciousness of the great sin which had been committed not only by the communists, but by the Russian people in general at the time of the revolution. ROCOR kept the memory of Holy Russia alive, and her heirarchs were big on emphasizing the need for the Russian people (even if they are now descendents) to repent of what was done not only to a nation, but also to it's anointed leader, the Tsar. As St.John Maximovitch put it, the Russian people had the sin of regicide on them, and this needed to be repented of.

It's hard for me to say whether or not there were communist sympathizers in the Metropolia - but what there certainly was ambivelence towards communism, and the well known (though oft denied) fact that the MP and the heirarchy of the "church" under it were communist puppets, in many cases being KGB agents as well as "bishops."

What cannot be doubted as well, is that the communist masters both within and over-seeing the MP, would have had designs upon having a foot in the door of a "Russian Church" anywhere in the diaspora, most particularly in the United States - hence probably why they were willing to give the Metropolia whatever it wanted.

And to think that up until relatively recently (corresponding conspicuously with ROCOR's own change in orientation on any number of subjects) you'd hear OCA folks calling the ROCOR "uncanonical"!

Seraphim

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[Etienne]

From The Times, 31 May, 2004

ATHENS: Police clashed with 150 far-right militants who tried to force their force their way into a meeting in Salonika, Greece's second-largest city, of the Rainbow party, which represents the country's ethnic Macedonian minority.Tye party has been attacked by conservatives for holding "anti-national opinions." (AP)