The New Holy Mountain Fathers

[Barbara]

Hard to speak in public that way, BUT the TRUTH will wake up people and stop them from joining an honestly VERY BAD jurisdiction ! If one starts examining all the other points, TOO, one arrives at that conclusion

I'm glad you are not going to join GOC-K now, eish. SMART MOVE ! MAY ALL OTHERS be apprised also before they take the wrong step.

A stitch in time saves nein, after all [!]

True we are seemingly off the thread's topic but to make the comparison between weak ecumenists and outright vile proponents of what you have described above is immensely valuable so that all readers can be fully informed of these vital indexes which they otherwise will NEVER find at another discussion forum, i bet ! Only here !

[Lemon Schist]

All very good points and I agree.

[Barbara]

Thank you !!

Which jurisdiction to join is SUCH an important decision : these posts highlight that.

It can't be compared with, for example, wondering in which tennis tournament should I play this season..!

[Lemon Schist]

https://hotca.org/documents/995-communi ... holy-synod

Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece

Holy Synod

Communiqué Concerning Resolutions of the Holy Synod

February 5/18, 2021

On Thursday, February 5/18, 2021, the Holy Synod of the Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece convened for its sixth regular session, under the Presidency of His Beatitude, Archbishop Kallinikos of Athens and All Greece and with the participation of twelve other Hierarchs from Greece and abroad by way of videoconferencing, and discussed and reached decisions on the following topics:

1. The Synod was informed about the ecclesiastical situation in Italy, with regard to developments in the affairs of the Holy Diocese of Luni.

2. The Synod was informed about developments in Serbia, with regard to the presence there of Genuine Orthodoxy and growing impediments.

3. The Synod discussed a petition for reception from someone presenting himself as a clergyman from the State Church; the petition was rejected.

4. There was discussion of the situation created by the coronavirus and specifically of the new vaccines. After studying the facts, the Hierarchs came to the following conclusions:

a) The abnormal situation generated by this pestilence should not become an occasion for the permanent or long-term curtailment of the basic freedoms of citizens by the government or for the promotion of schemes for globalization, nor should compulsory medical procedures be imposed on citizens without their free consent. Recently, the Council of Europe (2361/2021) ruled that vaccination is not obligatory and that there should be no discrimination against anyone not wishing to be vaccinated.

b) A plethora of conflicting information concerning vaccines against the coronavirus is circulating on the Internet, and even among experts in the scientific community. Much of this information has been debunked as false or dubious (at least with regard to the two principal vaccines in use in Greece). The matter does not appear to have any immediate spiritual or ecclesiastical dimensions, although there are objections that also pose bioethical issues at an early or experimental phase in the preparation of vaccines. The most serious objections pertain to the safety of vaccines, that is, whether their trial periods have been sufficient and whether mRNA technology is safe in all respects. Experts on these issues express differing views, with many of them declaring in favor of the safety of the vaccines, although no one can offer absolute assurance concerning their long-term consequences. However, a single Church body, such as the Holy Synod, is not competent to pronounce on the safety of new pharmaceutical preparations or even experimental vaccines. Every citizen is called to make his own decision, after consulting with physicians whom he trusts and who are familiar with the state of his health. Spiritual Fathers must not provide concrete encouragements or discouragements regarding vaccination to the faithful who ask them about it, beyond general information, since they will then bear responsibility either if the faithful lose their lives or put them at risk from vaccination (on account of serious side effects) or from non-vaccination (on account of disease with serious consequences resulting from the virus). This issue does not cease being chiefly and basically a medical one.

c) We call upon our faithful to continue their fervent prayers for the cessation of this plague, for the healing of the infirm, and for the strengthening of doctors and nurses in their difficult work and especially that they abide in peace and love among themselves, not judging one another over their attitudes towards medical issues and not falling into the trap of new divisions and disagreements on these matters, but being concerned first and foremost with the salvation of their souls.

1. The Holy Synod dealt with other ongoing issues.

From the Chancery

They may not have been explicitly aware of the fact that there was aborted fetal cells used in the poison shots. I don't recall how long before I found about it.

[eish]

They may not have been explicitly aware of the fact that there was aborted fetal cells used in the poison shots. I don't recall how long before I found about it.

They swept it under the rug in the quote you posted.

The matter does not appear to have any immediate spiritual or ecclesiastical dimensions, although there are objections that also pose bioethical issues at an early or experimental phase in the preparation of vaccines.

“Bioethical issues” is a euphemism for the use of murdered children. Apparently that does not touch on “spiritual or ecclesiastical dimensions” in the eyes of the GOC-K synod and the amount of testing is the only serious part. (I might sarcastically add, that since aborted children are used for testing this implies that we are objecting to not enough children being used.) Everybody was complaining about the use of aborted children in the jabs at the time, even in the Greek State Church report it was mentioned and obfuscated. Numerous people were begging their bishops for religious exemptions. There is no excuse for the synod to have remained silent on it then, nor for them to not have issued an immediate retraction at any point since that was published.

If I must fly intercontinental to attend church once in a blue moon then so be it. Until I hear of this being rectified I am not interested.

since they will then bear responsibility either if the faithful lose their lives or put them at risk from vaccination (on account of serious side effects) or from non-vaccination (on account of disease with serious consequences resulting from the virus). This issue does not cease being chiefly and basically a medical one.

A most blatant lie.

According to the Holy Canons and the Holy Fathers we are explicitly instructed to refuse evil cures. There is no exception for the evil cure being necessary for life, quite the opposite.We are to die rather than take them. It is called martyrdom. We are also reminded that they do not truly cure but deceive, which is exactly what we have seen since 2020.

https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/chry ... omily8.htm

4) If you do this, if you reject the incantations, the spells, and the charms, and if you then die of your disease, you will be a perfect martyr. Even though others promised your relief along with an ungodly life, you chose death with godliness. And I have spoken these words to those boastful talkers who say that the demons do effect cures. To learn how false this is, listen to what Christ said about the devil: 'He was a murderer from the beginning.' God says he is a murderer; do you rush to him as you would to a physician?

(5) Tell me this. When you stand indicted before God's tribunal, what reason will you be able for considering the Jews' witchcraft more worthy of your belief than what Christ has said? God said that the devil is a murderer; they say that he can cure diseases, in contradiction to God's word. When you accept their charms and incantations, you actions show that you consider the Jews more worthy of your belief than God, even if you do not say it in so many words.

Any persons that go to sorcerers and soothsayers, or to those who promise to purify them with the help and through the operation of demons from diseases or misfortunes or predicaments such as the evil eye, or any other evils they happen to be suffering, they ought to be asked, and if they insist that they believe in Christ, but that on account of some necessity arising from illness or from some great injury or loss they became faint-hearted and did this, thinking that they would thereby be relieved from these afflictions by means of divination or other magical means, they shall be canonized like those who denied Christ as a result of tortures, or, more expressly speaking, nine years. But if. on the other hand. they appear to have disregarded the belief in Christ and to have scorned God's help as coming from the God adored by Christians, and to have resorted to the demons' help, they are to be canonized like those who have willfully and voluntarily denied Christ.

Hence you can clearly see that we do NOT accept any cures from the evil ones even if we are dying and in need of cure, let alone a “vaccine” (which doesn't work) for a common flu (which has not been demonstrated to be different from what existed prior).

As far as I am concerned this is a case for Canon 15. If anyone still wishes to join the GOC-K I would advise first getting clarity from them on this matter being officially reversed. You should contact them if you want to hear more because only they can publish their own synod decisions.

I am not a priest and I am not your spiritual father, but I am staying with our bishops.

https://orthodoxmetropolia.org/2021/04/ ... -vaccines/

I don't recall how long before I found about it.

It was widely talked about in 2020. It was known early in the year and I knew within a few months. (E.g. https://avoicefortruth.com/covid-19-vac ... ell-lines/)

Warnings got especially loud near the end of the year. Fr. Savvas, the WO elder famous for his anti-covidism activities, was doing speeches in 2020. I am aware because I was with the patriarchate at the time and here are quotes by him and other WO leaders going back at least as far as December 2020:

https://www.orthodoxtalks.com/for-the-o ... nt/#eleven

But that doesn't really matter. Are we to believe that the synod still chooses not to know in 2025? Lord forgive me but I cannot compromise on matters of faith.

[Lemon Schist]

@eish
I didn't post it to defend the GOC-K, I was trying to find out what their position was. I agree that if they made that statement knowing full well that the jabs were developed using fetal cells then that is shameful.

I am still learning what the canons say about any particular topic as it was recommended that I not attempt to read those during my catechumate (which I still am...just not WO any more)

I was not even a Christian in 2020. I didn't know the Orthodox church existed until the end of 2023 and I wasn't aware of the True Orthodox Church until a couple of months ago.

However, that being said, I appreciate and agree with the points that you have made and I will have to spend some time thinking and praying about it.

[eish]

@eish
I didn't post it to defend the GOC-K, I was trying to find out what their position was. I agree that if they made that statement knowing full well that the jabs were developed using fetal cells then that is shameful.

I'm not saying that you are defending them. My point is that even if they initially didn't know--and clearly they should have known by that point--then their refusal to change their position since then is a problem.