RTOC consecrated a Bishop for Serbian TOC

[Tryphon]

In the history of True Orthodox churches, there have been made unworthy individuals made bishop and the result was catastrophical : Euloge of Milan; Gregory of Colorado etc. So let's wait and see the fruits...

Sad but true . The seeds of this accursed tree of Judas have been spread far and wide my dear brother. Was it by accident that the Mother superior Nun efrosyne visited many various TOC churches and synods. May the Master forbid it and not allow it because of our great and many Sins, but this group headed by Akakios can become the epicenter of ordinations and elevations of the worst kind. If He was so strong willed and stubborn in His quest for a miter when He had Hierarchs to answer to and TOC-Serbs who opposed His grand visions,how about now when there is NO one to confront Him Obviously the serbians in both the homeland and diasapora have stayed away but many pious but totally ignorant Belivers can be fooled. Hence, the British,American,and Canadians who have been referred to them. By certain Church re-writers/interpreters.

[Tryphon]

These questions were asked several days ago and I have yet to see an answer to them:

Which Holy Canon of the Orthodox Church allowed Akakios to abandon his lawful Bishop and stop being obedient to Him?
Did his Bishop cease to be orthodox? Did he become a heretic?
Is a bishop's nationality over the Holy canons?
Is an artificial presbyterian autocaphalous concregation of three priests over an orthodox and canonic Holy Synod of Bishops?
Who elected him?
Who anointed him as the only candidate?
Were there any council in Serbia where all the parishes participated and elected him?
Why he was consecrated secretly in France far away from Serbia and ''his flock'' ?
Why the Russians two days after their visit to Archbishop Kallinikos and his objections to the ordianation of HIS priest (fr. Akakios) they proceed to this action? Were they truly looking forward to our union or not ?

Ekklisiastikos is asking straight-forward questions. The true Church of Christ, the true Orthodox, I believe, must make a statement about this. This is for the faithful, those who are not afraid to look at this lovingly but objectively, those who are not afraid to turn to the Canons and answer a very simple question:

Is the ordination of Akakios a violation of the Holy Canons or not?

The schism was declared just unilateral, ie. by the Greeks who were injured. Russian TOC this consecrated course is considered an absolute legal.

Mr Despotovac

On whose antimens did you serve and whose signature was on it? And to what synod does that Bishop belong to?
Who did you commemorate at the great entrances?at proskomedia?
When Your GOC-Serbian Priests were ordained as clerics and brought around the Altar table did they prostrate themselves in front of the Bishop ordaining them? Or did the Bishop prostrate in front of them? Do You understand the meaning of this act?
Bp Photios ordained a cleric for the Serbian-GOC IN SERBIA 2 years ago,now since this is Serbian canonical territory Bp Photios Had NO right to do this ordination,until He was in agreement with the Serbian-GOC and accepted as the only canonical Bishop on Serbian land at this time, since He belongs to a foreign Church,the Hellenic. The Cleric ordained by Bp Photios gave His oath of obedience and loyalty and thus was ordained .
What the Hellenic GOC Your Mother Church decides to do next is going to have life altering consequences regarding your abandonment and schism. You will be held responsible for whatever flock followed you likewise. You have trampled upon the unity of the Church and have broken off without any Canonical defense. I'm sorry to say it but You should have really thought good and hard of what You were getting into before hand and whether You were capable of fulfilling these sacred oaths. There isn't a higher or more worthy Earthly calling than Christ GOD's Holy and Royal Priesthood. Its the most rewarding for the obedient and righteous,and at the other end the most punished for the disobedient transgressors..
What your lawful Hellenic GOC synod binds on earth will be bound likewise in heaven,What She looses on Earth will be loosed in heaven.
Please put away the earthly pride of Judas and return to Your GOD given Spiritual guide and Prayerful supplicator's in front of the Master,his Grace Bp Photios and His eminence KK Kalinikos,
May the Master grant you Wisdom.
Just a few things to ponder while there is still time.

[sava]

Dear Tryphon, in the official statemenτ of the Holy Synod of G.O.C. of Greece it is written among others that;

''The following subject was discussed which has arisen in Serbia: Three of our clergymen followed by a few dozen adherents, despising the other Serbian clergy and the majority of the faithful Genuine Orthodox Christians of Serbia and also the hierarchy which created them; naming themselves the “Serbian Genuine Orthodox Church” they arbitrarily proclaimed that they are proceeding to reestablish the autocephalous Serbian Church and they accepted episcopal ordination by the Russian True Orthodox Church.

At the previous meeting it was planned to discuss the proposal of His Grace Bishop Photios of Marathon at the present meeting, which proposal foresaw the satisfaction of the request of the Serbian G.O.C. in a canonical way, via processes which would preserve their unity. Unfortunately some of them acted prematurely to find a solution according to their desire and took measures which through rebellion and disobedience provoked the division of the Serbian Genuine Orthodox Christians.''

So the question is; Why Akakios didn't follow the wise proposal of Bishop Photios which proposal foresaw the satisfaction of the request of the Serbian G.O.C. in a canonical way, via processes which would preserve the unity of T.O.C. of Serbia? Why he and Tikhonites didn't wait the decision of the G.O.C. Synod? Which was the necessity of such α hurried and thoughtless ordination?

[Priest Siluan]

Tryphon and Sava:

If both of you continue with your disrespectful (and cowards) attacks, I will ask for your ban here. If you are good-will and Christian men, at least, you should make accusations openly, giving your real names, not from darkness like demons.

[Tryphon]

Tryphon and Sava:

If both of you continue with your disrespectful (and cowards) attacks, I will ask for your ban here. If you are good-will and Christian men, at least, you should make accusations openly, giving your real names, not from darkness like demons.

Batushka Siuan,

Why do You want to silence only one side, the side that does not agree with Your New Bishop? Br Sava has been very respectful. I KNOW that our last comments are 100% correct and Canonical. You can ban us or bully us with your tactics,but the truth will not be changed. Maybe my last comment hit a nerve within your own soul and the way you might have changed synods?
Also please defend your accusations against Bp Artemy ( your spreading of lies and defamation ) by calling him a crypto_Ecumenist. Or be a Man and apologize.
Why are you trying to use Sergianist tactics and communistic force against Christians who disagree with You. Comparing belivers defending Canon law and their synods though of different nationality with demons is unbecoming of someone Who considers themselves a cleric.
If this is my last post here by being banned , best wishes to all, and keep up the battle for the truth. Ask questions and test the spirits, Not all spirits are from GOD.
Peace to all and thank You for your support.

[sava]

Tryphon and Sava:

If both of you continue with your disrespectful (and cowards) attacks, I will ask for your ban here. If you are good-will and Christian men, at least, you should make accusations openly, giving your real names, not from darkness like demons.

What a nice soviet way of thinking! I think that we are posting at Euphrosynos cafe and not at Siluan-Akakios Cafe! This soviet way of thinking reminds me Akakios's thinking (as he admitted to Ekklisiastikos) who prefers to listen to those who are in agreement with him and leave aside those who disagree with him.

[Despotovac]

Dear Tryphon, in the official statemenτ of the Holy Synod of G.O.C. of Greece it is written among others that;

''The following subject was discussed which has arisen in Serbia: Three of our clergymen followed by a few dozen adherents, despising the other Serbian clergy and the majority of the faithful Genuine Orthodox Christians of Serbia and also the hierarchy which created them; naming themselves the “Serbian Genuine Orthodox Church” they arbitrarily proclaimed that they are proceeding to reestablish the autocephalous Serbian Church and they accepted episcopal ordination by the Russian True Orthodox Church.

At the previous meeting it was planned to discuss the proposal of His Grace Bishop Photios of Marathon at the present meeting, which proposal foresaw the satisfaction of the request of the Serbian G.O.C. in a canonical way, via processes which would preserve their unity. Unfortunately some of them acted prematurely to find a solution according to their desire and took measures which through rebellion and disobedience provoked the division of the Serbian Genuine Orthodox Christians.''

So the question is; Why Akakios didn't follow the wise proposal of Bishop Photios which proposal foresaw the satisfaction of the request of the Serbian G.O.C. in a canonical way, via processes which would preserve the unity of T.O.C. of Serbia? Why he and Tikhonites didn't wait the decision of the G.O.C. Synod? Which was the necessity of such α hurried and thoughtless ordination?

It has been said several times that approaching of Serbs in to the True Orthodoxy through Greek TOC does not entitle the Greeks to be the undisputed ruler of Serbia. In particular, if the canons were outraged about their provisional administration of the widow Serbian Church. Who gave the Greeks the right to rule above another's territory without a determinate time and without any control of other local Churches, which would certainly ensure the rights of Serbs based on the canons? Where the Serbs could complain about the injustice inflicted on them in the form of the Greek uncanonicaly occupation of foreign territory? The form of acceptance of Serbs in to the True Orthodoxy is misused by Greeks. The faithful of the Serbian Church was roughly assimilated into the Greek Church's faithful. According to the canons period of establishing the local bishop for local widow Church should not have exceeded a couple of years. 15 years of "temporary" and uncanonical Greek government above Serbia resulted in such outcome as we seen today.