THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

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Re: THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

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Priest Siluan wrote:

I find what you spoke to be very right, Father Joseph.

This is the classic way of knocking 2 birds with one stone. First, the official schism of belivers within the GOC in Holy Serbia. Secondly, the illegal meddling of the Russians is going to have heavy implications for quite some time and will not be overlooked and has destroyed any union talks between them and the Hellenists.
What is not mentioned at all and is extremely important is ArchBishop Artemije of Kosovo and Methohije in "exile". How come it became a emergency situation for the Akakian clique to have their "chosen-one" consecrated at all costs including schism,once Bp Artemije and the loyal Monastics stepped away from the official state Church? History repeats itself,and just maybe, Bp Artemije will follow the well trodden path of other great Confessor Bishops (Metropolitans Chrysostom and Galaction- of Greece and Romania) the proto-confessor ArchPastors of the TO. Already Thousands of faithful are gathering around Bp Artemije in Serbia and many more around the world. Being under a True Serbian Bishop You see this does not work either for the Akakian Clique,because being a monastic a true monastic means having obedience and following directions and if they couldn't/wouldn't from a far away Bishop,imagine having one right next door!

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The whole point is that Bishop Artemije still considers himself to be in communion with all the other World Orthodox churches. He is not really True Orthodox, but his situation is more like that of BIshop Diomid in the MP. He is what they would have called in Soviet times a "dissident" rather than a catacombnik.

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Plus the obedience issue has nothing to do with Bp Artemije or any of the official Serbian Patriarchate. Bp Akakije hasn't been in obedience to them since he left Serbia for Mount Athos and joined the Zealots there. He was under de facto obedience to the GOC of Greece, but the question is whether he had the right to appeal to the RTOC on the grounds that Serbia technically remained an autocephalous jurisdiction.

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Yes, of course, Bp. Artemije is not a true Orthodox, he has a "Kyprianite" ecclesiology.

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This has nothing to do with all the arguing, but it is a neat picture! It's Bishop Akakije when he was tonsured a monk, alongside Archimandrite Philaretos (Klimakitis), his "father from the mantle", as well as a woman who is now the nun Euphemia. I like it very much :D .

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Also Father Philaretos baptized Bp. Akakije and the other two Serbian Athonite monks who left the Serbian Patriarchate, because (Serbian Patriarchate "baptizes" in the "sprinkling style") so, the then Monk Akakije and his fellow understood they should be baptized correctly. So, It is the beginning of the restoration of true Serbian Orthodoxy.

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jgress wrote:

Plus the obedience issue has nothing to do with Bp Artemije or any of the official Serbian Patriarchate. Bp Akakije hasn't been in obedience to them since he left Serbia for Mount Athos and joined the Zealots there. He was under de facto obedience to the GOC of Greece, but the question is whether he had the right to appeal to the RTOC on the grounds that Serbia technically remained an autocephalous jurisdiction.

Checking this years 2011 pocket calendar of the GOC on page 114,#12 whose name do we have as a Cleric belonging to the GOC?
My point is that since the temporary administration of the GOC hindered Akakios and that Serbs wouldn't want to be under a "Greek" Bishop,and the LOVE for His people burned within Him why not open a dialogue or show Open support to Bp Artemije?
Since when is it Canonical for a Young Hieromonk to live with young Nuns in a secluded dwelling? Akakios abandoned the missionary activities for which He was ordained. Years ago He took money from newly ordained Fr Joseph which was given to Him to buy land for a monastic dwelling and Akakios turns around and buys a jeep. When Fr Joseph left for Greece, it was repeated that He left without a blessing ? From Who was one needed? From ones lawful Bishop of course,which was granted. The Serbian communities have covered a whole lot of unsavory actions by this Akakian clique but now slowly things are coming to light.

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