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Christianity has left the public square
by Kenneth Briggs

From http://www.beliefnet.com/story/152/story_15276_1.html

Christianity Has Left the Public Square

American public religion is now a servant of the social order that
sets the real priority: material comfort.

By Kenneth Briggs

Politicians and pundits have once again this election cycle
discovered that the United States is awash in religion. Results from
the usual polls are used to prove the case: More than 9 in 10
Americans say they believe in God, nearly as many report that they
pray every day, and about a quarter go to church on Sunday.

Meanwhile, campaign managers and journalists imply, often ominously,
that religion is a wild card that can decide winners and losers by
meting out rewards and punishments to candidates who either agree or
disagree with various religious positions. Among the issues most
often mentioned as carrying political weight in the current campaign,
for example, are homosexual marriage and abortion.

Yet this is a faulty conclusion built upon a facile analysis. America
may be brimming with religion, but it is a kind that generally has
little to do with the traditions and teachings that underlie it. It
has become, for the most part, yet another servant of the economic
and social order that sets the real priorities: success and material
comfort. The prophets Jeremiah and Amos, who regularly scolded
ancient Israel for crushing the poor, have been sent to the woodshed.

In the process, Christianity has become a private concern, a rescue
squad to revive those crippled in free enterprise combat. It has
taken on the functions of therapy and self-help, preaching its own
version of self-centeredness that leaves political matters such
as "justice" far behind. Religion hasn't been booted out of the
public arena by mean-spirited secularists; it has largely quit going
out in public to bring the full message of its heritage.

Rather than looking critically at social policy, in the manner of the
prophets, Christians ignore or passively accept it at a time when
prophets are so urgently needed. Examples abound. Prominent CEOs sing
in the choir on Sunday and rob their corporations on Monday;
physicians say their morning prayers and bilk Medicare for
unnecessary surgery; Fellowship of Christian Athletes huddle in
worship in locker rooms before breaking the bones of their foes. Many
American Christians simply find ways to feel good in Sunday pews and
then get on with the real business the next day.

This monumental collapse of public religion into individualism and
self-seeking was dramatized two decades ago by Robert Bellah in
Habits of the Heart. Bellah claimed that among Americans, commitment
to concepts of the common good--the welfare of others and the
community--was being undermined in the face of a growing consumer
mentality that increasingly used religion to attain personal ends.
God had been increasingly cast as Therapist, for example, giving
harried Americans "permission" to do most anything. The trend was so
vast and deep, he said, that it was virtually unstoppable. Many would
argue now that, if anything, Bellah's analysis might even have been
understated.

As the land of freedom and opportunity, America has always been a
nation of people bent on success and improvement. No period of the
nation's history was governed purely by religious precepts. But it
could be argued that before the industrial revolution dawned in the
19th century, religion provided a frame of reference for public
policy, a canopy over its proceedings. This mindset was undoubtedly
flouted more often than it was honored, perhaps, but it was at least
a set of standards deemed worthy of serious consideration.

Christianity has always been prone to captivity by the culture since
it fell to the lures of the Roman Empire and began to benefit from
its position as the official state religion. But the church has not
always ignored its message for the sake of gaining favor. Two
examples: One was the religious uprising against a segregated
America, led by Martin Luther King Jr., when large numbers of church
people marched into the teeth of armed defenders of racial bigotry.
Their actions came with a price--for some, their lives--and made an
enormous difference with the passage of civil rights laws.
Another example was the "People's Church" movement in Latin America,
which linked Bible study with political and economic goals to advance
fairness for the poor. Much of it followed liberation theology and
brought great hope and real progress, though a nervous Vatican saw
people exercising their own authority as Catholics and condemned the
movement as "Marxist." The Pope issued two strongly worded messages
warning against the movement, and disciplinary action was taken
against liberation theologians such as Leonardo Boff. Nonetheless, it
spread across the continent. At one point, Brazil alone had as many
as 50,000 of these "base communities."

So Christianity can be practiced in the public square and obviously
has, though rarely.
But in America, Christians will go to the polls with choices formed
far more by their secular attachments than their religious
consciousness. The division between the two goes deep, to the chagrin
of many leading Christian thinkers. Harvey Cox, the Harvard
theologian, wrote a book four decades ago called The Secular City in
which he saw the secular realm as the sphere of God's activity while
institutional religion withered. At the same time he
deplored "secularism," or worshipping the secular for its own sake.
For most Americans calling themselves religious, worldly concerns are
likely to soundly trump broader matters of faith once they enter the
voting booth.

Both liberal and conservative churches have borne out such forecasts.
With some exceptions (I think of Sojourners), churches have stood
aside while the gap between rich and poor has widened, as public
schools in poor neighborhoods rot, as more than 40 million Americans
go without medical insurance, as the United States invades Iraq on
fraudulent grounds, as gambling juggernauts wreak havoc on countless
households, as the nation refuses to go all out fighting AIDS, and as
workers suffer poverty wages--to cite just some ills. The "What-Would-
Jesus-Do?" slogan seems never to raise that very question.

Even when religious leaders try to steer the vote, they lose. Roman
Catholic bishops, for example, have generally failed in efforts to
steer their people toward anti-abortion candidates and the attempt to
deny John Kerry communion for his pro-choice stance has only depleted
their authority. If religious leaders themselves can't influence
their own people on these topics, then politicians don't need to
worry much the impact of religious groups. The laity increasingly
believes that religion is indeed a private affair that has no
business challenging their "other lives."

I hear a loud protest: What about the religious right? Don't they
have clout? They demand prayer in schools, a ban on abortions, laws
against homosexual marriage and "under God" in the Pledge. Aren't
politicians dancing to their jig?

The priorities of the religious right are in fact more cultural than
religious. Take this lobby's strong support of capital punishment. It
received supporting arguments from religion, but it is grounded in
patterns of social control that includes racist lynching and
vigilantism. It is deeply cultural, coming from a long tradition of
southern militarism and frontier justice.

The religious right, to the extent that it is political, is merely a
creature of the political right itself rather than a movement that
gave rise to the right. As an appendage and supplicant, it has been
used and abused by the political right wing in its quest for power.
For all the ballyhoo over its alleged power, most evident in Pat
Robertson's Christian Coalition or Jerry Falwell's earlier Moral
Majority, such campaigns have been confined to those issues on which
it already finds consensus with the larger secular conservative
movement, such as its opposition to homosexual rights.

In any case, religion loses its soul when it morphs into a set of
rules such as the religious right is now pressing, from prayer in
schools to a ban on abortions.

Since the time of Roman Emperor Constantine, the church was always
absorbed within the empire or was made into a "state church." Our
nation's founders made it possible for religion to enter the public
square freely for the first time in 1,500 years. The U.S.
Constitution insisted on separation. That gave religion a chance to
do things differently, the freedom to speak its conscience. How
tragic if that blessing were squandered in idolatrous pursuit of the
American Dream.

brendan

Post by brendan »

Hexapsalms wrote:

Brendan--

Your desire to go door to door to spread the Gospel is a worthy one and may bear fruit. But if I may speak from my experience and give a bit of advice, it is best to go about this work with a right spirit--that is--do this for the Love of Christ, not out of fear of the ways things are going.

I once zealously passed out tracts and did aggressive evangelistic work not because I loved Christ (I barely understood Christianity at the time); I did it because I was afraid of the way the world was going and I wanted to do my bit to stop the slide. I passed out tracts and books to convert folks to a certain party line, and got impatience, even mad, if they didn't see it my way. Don't treat Christianity like another ideology competing with other ideologies. This is what the Protestants do--they hand out tracts and books by the millions, broadcast 24/7 by radio and TV and yet it seems all that has made very little impact on the problems of our society.

I would agree with all your points except for the problem that everybody knows about the Protestants, but the vast majority of people really have no idea what Orthodoxy is about or even that we're something separate from Roman Catholicism.

I have yet to encounter anyone in my daily travels who has much of a clue. Most people think we're some kind of Russian Catholics. I could imagine what things are like in areas where Orthodoxy is relatively new. I live in an area with a substantial number of Orthodox parishes compared to most places, most long-established, and still there exists an amazingly high level of ignorance. That's not the fault of the public, but that Orthodox parishes really don't do very much to make themselves know and make the public aware of what we're all about.

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I would go further and say that many Orthodox don't know much about their Church or what it teaches. I have visited Greek, Serb, and Russian churches where people just go through the motions and in a language they don't understand. They don't follow the fasts. They don't pray. They go to church on Easter and Nativity. Their young people aren't interested. I have a Serbian friend who grew up in the Serb Church where everything was in Slavonic. She understood nothing, was taught nothing, and got nothing out of it. She's now a practicing tarot card reader and astrologist. She'll have nothing to do with Christianity in any form. I attended her same church once and saw that all the Serb men parked themselves at the well-stocked bar (which was open for business) in the fellowship hall during the service. They showed up at the church door only at the end to hear the sermon, and smelled like stale beer and whiskey.

It's a well-known story that one of the people that was found dead after the Jim Jones debacle was a young woman who was the daughter of a Greek Orthodox priest. That's says a lot.

Of course, the western Christians don't know much about Orthodoxy. But whose fault is that? If an interested Protestant or Catholic would come to some of these Orthodox churches, he would see a lot of spiritual dead wood. So if there's to be effective evangelism to the world, it must begin with ourselves.

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I had orientation last night for my new job at Target. Since becoming Orthodox I have made it a habit to take a book on the Orthodox Faith, on any topic thereof with me whether I am going across the street or across town. The fact that I either bus or walk everywhere leaves me with time to read and this has been a great help to me. (Self-education is key)

As said yesterday I went for training and at the end of the night I was waiting for a ride and the security guy saw me reading in the food court and asked what I was reading. (Holy New Martyrs of the Turkish Yoke - GREAT BOOK, I know there was someone looking for a book on what the saints said to the Muslims et al. This is the book!)

I showed him the book and he asked if I was a Muslim because the title is a bit odd and I told him I was an Orthodox Christian and we then proceeded to get into a conversation on Orthodoxy and it seemed fruitful. He said he was looking forward to talking about the Faith again and that he was interested in seeing what the Faith was all about. He asked if there was a Orthodox Church in the city and I told him yes.

I could be wrong in my approach but in my experience i see that in 99% of the cases there are specific things you have to be aware of in order for people to WANT to accept things of the Faith. You can’t really WANT it to happen or you will seem to them to be pushing or forcing things at them.

You really only have to be open to them and stay at THEIR level and work your way up. If you come out like Einstein with a 2 year old you are no going to get anywhere with them. You are right that no one knows what Orthodoxy is and in a sense I think that this is a good thing because if you think of it, they have probably already heard of RC's and Protestants and they are still looking. This shows us that they, for a small part of it, see the falsehoods or at least weren’t sparkled into a false faith.

Conversion is a process, but that all depends on the soul of the person you come in contact with. We see this in the lives of the saints. In the early church there were 12 Christians sent out to convert the world and they did it. One at a time. That I believe is the mindset we need to have.

Patience is a virtue.

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I left this forum yesterday in disgust- horrified at what people are presenting to the world as "chiristianity". But I won't be silent about this, because these times no longer allow us the luxury of remaining silent.
The Church is a Mother. Like all mothers, there are two ways of loving her children, just as there are two ways any of us can love which are diametrically opposed, even though they are both called "love." We can either love by giving, or love by taking.
A mother loves by taking when she only sees in her children an extension of herself- when she sees her children as an extension of her own "I". She sees her children as little versions of herself, containing her DNA. She sees them as 'special', 'more important', 'more valuable' than other children. She is prepared to sacrifice the wellbeing of other children in order to protect her own. In this type of love, the mother may be prepared even to 'sacrifice' her own life to protect her children- but even so, it is because in doing so, she is ensuring her own continuity in them. This type of love has nothing to do with the Love Christ calls us to in the Gospel.
The other type of love, the love that gives, can be found in those mothers who see in their children the Image of God. She loves them as Children of God who have been entrusted to her. She sees all children, not only her own, as bearing the Image of God. She cares even for the children who are not her own when they are neglected. She sacrifices herself, not for her own "I", not because she hopes to gain, but for the sake of God in the "Other". Christ will say on the Last Day: "As often as you did it to the least of these bretheren of Mine, you did it to Me." And who are His bretheren? Are only Orthodox Christians His bretheren? If this is the case, then why, when answering the question of who our neighbour is, did He use a Jew and a Samaratin in the parable?
The Church is a Mother to all who seek refuge and help from her. And she does not demand that they become her adopted children in order that she should love them. She loves them despite them not being her own- and if, occassionally, some of them respond to this love by wishing to be adopted by her- well and good, but she loves them even if they do not.
In these evil days, when the world is being strangled by a knot of evil, people are looking to the Church for answers, and what are we telling them? Are we telling them that what is important is the asthetics of their Churches, that their Icons be positioned correctly? In a world where the love of many is growing cold, where people created in the Image of God are drowning in a sea of indifference, evil, hatred, bestial cruelty and where no one sees their pain; are we telling them that the most burning issue is whether they follow the New or Old Calendar?
Christ teaches us how to Love by His example on the Cross, and in the Eucharist. We are to be broken up and distributed and consumed, poured out and drunk, holding back nothing of ourselves, not even our souls: "Blessed are the poor in spirit" means "blessed are they who have given away even their spiritual goods", and not buried their talent. St Paul says of the Jews: "I wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my bretheren." (Rom 9:3)- inother words, he was so spiritually poor that even the salvation of his soul meant less to him than his bretheren who were not even Christians! This is the evangelical love we are called to- that we should be prepared to sacrifice even our own salvation for the sake of our neighbour- even the Jews and the Moslems. How miserly is the 'love' which loves only it's own in comparison with this.
Some will say "but I do love my neighbour, that is why I want him to become an Orthodox Christian that he might be saved". That's fine, but what if he doesn't- are you permitted to stop loving him?
Christ left us two commandements: Love God, and Love your neighbour, and they are two sides of the same coin. We cannot have one without the other- we cannot love our neighbour in the true, evangelical form of the love which gives rather than takes, unless we see the Image of God in our neighbour, nor can we love God Whom we cannot see unless we love our neighbour whom we can see. And we are called to love our neighbour in his present circumstances, we are not only to love what he may or may not become in the future.

brendan

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Hexapsalms wrote:

Of course, the western Christians don't know much about Orthodoxy. But whose fault is that? If an interested Protestant or Catholic would come to some of these Orthodox churches, he would see a lot of spiritual dead wood. So if there's to be effective evangelism to the world, it must begin with ourselves.

Those are some unfortunate things you mentioned. The lack of basic knowledge seems also to be a problem with Catholics. My wife was raised RC and I was always surprised that she never learned the basic Bible stories that I, having been raised a Protestant, learned and just assumed everybody knew. Yes, she knew what to do in the church and about the rituals. Those were things I never had to learn. But even a poor and rather inattentive Sunday school pupil such as I managed to get at least the basic Bible stories drilled into my head. I worry about this with my own daughter, since its hard for me to get her to read the Bible. She goes to Liturgy, sings in the choir, and is always glad to help in the church, but its hard for me to figure out what she really knows.

I wish the Sunday school concept was used in Orthodoxy. I suggested that on some other Orthodox board and few thought it was a good idea. The attitude seemed to be that everybody learns what they need from Liturgy and the parish doesn't need to provide anything else. If someone needs more, go buy books and read. That's ok for adults, but, on balance, I think teaching young people in a structured environment is beneficial. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think they get enough knowledge just be attending Liturgy and its really hard to get kids to study on thier own.

brendan

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George Australia wrote:

I left this forum yesterday in disgust- horrified at what people are presenting to the world as "chiristianity". But I won't be silent about this, because these times no longer allow us the luxury of remaining silent.

George, you've said a lot. I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, but I figure its directed at me. In any case, I'd still like to know whether you think white people have the same rights as any other race/ethnicity to be concerned about and work to preserve their heritage and future. That's really all this gets down to. If you want to label the mere idea of that as "hate", then your dictionary is one I never read.

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