The strange, sad case of the defrocked deacon, Lev Puhalo

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puhalo, hocna, david smith, etc.

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Evlogeite.

mr. smith at one time made mention of mr.puhalo on his site, but as with other things, he's begun sanitizing his comments and heavily editing his site. poem & rickross, who provide david smith's template, clearly have direct links to puhalo. What gives smith totally away is his misquoting of the Elder's "teachings on marriage," in a way which mirrors puhalo and his cohorts. It is irrational to interject the possibility of coincidence here, for the simpler solution is that he is being coached by puhalo or under his influence. I know of other "ephraimites" who were approached by mr. puhalo to "get the dirt." Using smith's accusations against the monasteries, what I am providing here is REAL evidence and indictment of a true quack and cultist masquerading as an Orthodox "hierarch," mr. haler-puhalo. His inspiration was NOT Fr. Kiprian and Jordanville, so much as it was the poison he put into his veins at the library there, qv bulgakov's Paris school. hocna was not always an asylum of resentment--their mentor upon being unceremoniously pushed out of the GOA was Fr. Alexander Schmemann and Fr. Panteleimon was linked to the Synodeia of Blessed Elder Joseph the Hesychast. I am finding that in that era, there was a quest for "original" approaches for them to define themselves and "seem" intellectual, ie gain "justification," a "legitimate identity." Fr. Michael Azkoul's opus can be challenging, even interesting at times, but his unillumined "ad fontes" foundation alludes to some sort of self-education gone wrong. Even in his denunciations, he misses the point, eg in the case of Blessed Augustine he misses the cacodoxy of "created grace" and how the nominalism that implies is christological heresy; he makes little use of the documents of the disputes between St. Gregory Palamas and barlaam. In the case of the toll houses, he seems ignorant of the Patristic witness from the Desert and the Cappadocian Fathers, for instance, which shows that by the era of the Imperial Church, the Toll Houses were regarded as Orthodox eschatology. If one were to cross apply his template in criticizing the Toll Houses, say, to the Mariology (specifically, that of St. Cyril) affirmed by Ephesus, he would end up as part of the nestorian/semi-nestorian party. He lacks all concept of Patristic Consensus or phronema; instead, he plays intellectual games to produce ORIGINAL statements. In sum, yes, hocna was amoral in its politics and used people, but what makes it sadder is that its identity devolved and its Orthodox witness developed without scholarly or spiritual oversight and came to be something quite contrived, even hateful. So too mr. puhalo or mr. smith. I think it appropos certain parties regard bl. +Metropolitan Antony (Khrapovitsky) as a Saint, for his dalliances into "original theologies," qv "dogma of redemption," show the pitfalls and utterly alien systems which arise when one follows ones own path. Luckily he did have a Patristic foundation and he was conservative enough to uphold Orthodoxy firstly and realize his "original" work was speculation and nothing more. His venerators, in this instance, aren't as fortunate. No, they are sad representatives of temperament and heterodoxy typefied by one of +Antony's friends who also emphasized "original theology," soloviev. A mess.
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If by "troll" it is meant that I rely on research and ground myself instead of "namecalling," I'll take that as a complement.

"Real theologian" mr. haler-puhalo certainly is not. He lacks all credential and capability. The people he surrounds himself with are also lacking, some to lesser others to greater degrees. As far as his fight with "fundamentalism" is concerned, does that mean a war with the Fathers or with his hierarchs (of FOUR jurisdictions) or with the USA or with the enemies of the Federation?! LOL! Anyone wishing to take up mr. haler-puhalo's quackery and cultism and neo-protestant fundamentalism is cordially invited to engage HERE. And, oh, a "REAL ORTHODOX THEOLOGIAN" is someone who has attained "theologeia," ie contemplation of/vision of God in theosis, a Patristic, "fundamentalist" definition.

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Apostolic Canon LXVIII.
If any bishop, presbyter, or deacon, shall receive from anyone a second ordination, let both the ordained and the ordainer be deposed; unless indeed it be proved that he had his ordination from heretics; for those who have been baptized or ordained by such persons cannot be either of the faithful or of the clergy.

Nicean Canon XVI.
Neither presbyters, nor deacons, nor any others enrolled among the clergy, who, not having the fear of God before their eyes, nor regarding the ecclesiastical Canon, shall recklessly remove from their own church, ought by any means to be received by another church; but every constraint should be applied to restore them to their own parishes; and, if they will not go, they must be excommunicated. And if anyone shah dare surreptitiously to carry off and in his own Church ordain a man belonging to another, without the consent of his own proper bishop, from whom although he was enrolled in the clergy list he has seceded, let the ordination be void.

Canons XIII of the Council in Trullo (I Think…)
Bishop Hosius said: Be this also the pleasure of all. `If any deacon or presbyter or any of the clergy be excommunicated and take refuge with another bishop who knows him and who is aware final he has been removed from communion by his own bishop, [that other bishop] must not offend against his brother bishop by admitting him to communion. 1And if any dare to do this, let him know that he must present himself before an assembly of bishops and give account.'

All the bishops said: This decision will assure peace at all times and preserve the concord of all. (Latin.)

Bishop Hosius said: Be this also the pleasure of all. If a deacon or presbyter or any of the clergy be refused communion by his own bishop and go to another bishop, and he with whom he has taken refuge shall know that he has been repelled by his own bishop, then must he not grant him communion. But if he shall do so, let him know that he must give account before an assembly of bishops.

All said: This decision will preserve peace and maintain concord.

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The Good State of Archbishop Lazar of the OCA

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moschonisi wrote:

I still can not understand how OCA took him in... this is something of
tremendous interest.

The OCA received him because he is an Orthodox hierarch, a real Orthodox theologian who does not teach heresy but rather combats it. And who is, I believe, even at the time of this writing once again teaching in the OCA Diocese of the South, where God willing I may be again. (I'm a member of a Greek Archdiocese parish now mainly because it is the local Orthodox community where I live... but it is a wonderful parish, one where the ethnic element, the Greek-ness, is not unduly emphasized, so it's not just a matter of being GOA by default) whereas the nearest OCA parish is over 60 miles away.

As for your remarks about Lazar Puhalo: I must admit
colorful history and reputation as an odd-ball. His
theology on "soul-sleeping" appears to be stolen
directly from Ellen G. White and her Protestant
denomination, the Seventh Day Adventists... and that's

<sigh> You can lead a horse to water... Once again, it must be stated that Archbishop Lazar does not teach soul-sleep. Here are His Eminence's own words:

"We have seen already that a person is a psychophysical being, that neither the soul without the body is the person, nor is the body apart from the soul. Yet, the soul is man's "intelligent faculty," the "image of God" in man. And it continues to be alive when the person has fallen asleep, because God wills it so. It is alive and, therefore, it perceives. It cannot perceive as the person perceives, for it no longer has use of bodily or carnal senses. Moreover, as we constantly pray for the peaceful repose of the soul, we understand that both its perception and, if it has any sort of functions, then its functioning also, are in a different realm, on a different plane. This realm is the realm of grace. Exactly what it perceives, we cannot know, but it perceives evidently, according to revelation, by grace, and not according to any carnal sensations. We know that the souls of the departed are aware of our prayers for them, and are comforted and increased by them. It perceives things which cannot be expressed or even guessed at by our fallen human minds. And this is a true miracle, an event which, because God wills it so, takes place contrary to the 'laws of nature.'"

Achbishop Lazar Puhalo, On the Nature of Heaven and Hell According to the Holy Fathers, (Dewdney BC : Synaxis Press, 1995), pp. 19-20

"Moreover, as we discussed in our previous book, The Soul, The Body, and Death, (Chapter 6: "Things Done For the Reposed") the souls of the righteous not only perceive in the realm of grace, but do not cease to increase both in peace and spiritual advancement, being increased by the prayers of the Church on their behalf. Indeed, theosis is the blessed transfiguration and transformation of the whole human person, within whom the Holy Spirit dwells. This person, so transformed, bears a truly filial relationship to the Father as an icon of Christ."

Op cit, p. 28

His Eminence SPECIFICALLY AND CATEGORICALLY identifies soul-sleep as heresy:

"Since many fall into the error of speculation on these matters, two extremes of opinion have arisen. The first error is that common to many sectarians, who teach a heresy called 'soul-sleep,' or 'soul-slumber.' This error is based partly on a misunderstanding of the symbolic use of the word 'sleep' in Scripture and in certain of the holy fathers. This teaching holds that at death, the soul is either buried with the body or that it enters into a total comatose state and ceases not only its psychophysical functions, but even its spiritual function and growth."

Op cit, p. 16

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Re: The Good State of Archbishop Lazar of the OCA

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costaswright wrote:

moschonisi wrote:

I still can not understand how OCA took him in... this is something of
tremendous interest.

The OCA received him because he is an Orthodox hierarch,

R--How can he be a "real Orthodox hierarch" when:
a). He was deposed by ROCOR as a Deacon--Canons have been quoted.
b). He left several jurisdictions WITHOUT canonical releases, grounds for deposition.
c). He participated in schism against the MP with a deposed and MARRIED self-styled "patriarch," again GROUNDS FOR DEPOSITION.

a real Orthodox theologian

R--According to what definition. SURELY NOT THAT OF THE FATHERS WHOM HE ignores.

who does not teach heresy but rather combats it.

R--The Toll Houses are addressed here. You can refer back to the thread. Just there, he's teaching heresy. Then, there's the matter of evolution, his views on "star wars" and its religious syncretism, his anthropology, his cosmology--there isn't anything about what he teaches that is Orthodox.
http://euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewto ... 06&start=0

And who is, I believe, even at the time of this writing once again teaching in the OCA Diocese of the South, where God willing I may be again.

R--Good grief, they've let another heretic/positivist lecture on Orthodoxy! A long parisian line with such noteables as mr. fedotov whose steps he follows in aptly...

(I'm a member of a Greek Archdiocese parish now mainly because it is the local Orthodox community where I live... but it is a wonderful parish, one where the ethnic element, the Greek-ness, is not unduly emphasized, so it's not just a matter of being GOA by default) whereas the nearest OCA parish is over 60 miles away.

R--Would that be your NINTH OR TENTH JURISDICTION?! Your third or fourth time with the OCA.

As for your remarks about Lazar Puhalo: I must admit
colorful history and reputation as an odd-ball. His
theology on "soul-sleeping" appears to be stolen
directly from Ellen G. White and her Protestant
denomination, the Seventh Day Adventists... and that's

<sigh> You can lead a horse to water... Once again, it must be stated that Archbishop Lazar does not teach soul-sleep. Here are His Eminence's own words:

R--BUT YOU CAN'T TURN HIM INTO A DONKEY FIT NICELY BEFORE. LOL!

"We have seen already that a person is a psychophysical being, that neither the soul without the body is the person, nor is the body apart from the soul. Yet, the soul is man's "intelligent faculty," the "image of God" in man.

R--The WHOLE man is the image of the Theanthropos, WHO saves us. Error.

And it continues to be alive when the person has fallen asleep, because God wills it so. It is alive and, therefore, it perceives. It cannot perceive as the person perceives, for it no longer has use of bodily or carnal senses. Moreover, as we constantly pray for the peaceful repose of the soul, we understand that both its perception and, if it has any sort of functions, then its functioning also, are in a different realm, on a different plane. This realm is the realm of grace.

R--Realm of grace? And if it is a condemned soul?!

Exactly what it perceives, we cannot know,

R--But we can, for the the GOD MAN AND THE SAINTS HAVE TOLD US. It's part of the witness of the Church. Error.

but it perceives evidently, according to revelation, by grace, and not according to any carnal sensations.

R--Actually, it perceives by the nous, which has higher cognitive, spiritual faculties. Error.

We know that the souls of the departed are aware of our prayers for them, and are comforted and increased by them. It perceives things which cannot be expressed or even guessed at by our fallen human minds. And this is a true miracle, an event which, because God wills it so, takes place contrary to the 'laws of nature.'"

R--Actually, it takes place in TRANSFIGURATION OF THE LAWS OF NATURE. St. Gregory Palamas or St. Maximos the Confessor explain this definitely and with authority. Error.

Achbishop Lazar Puhalo, On the Nature of Heaven and Hell According to the Holy Fathers, (Dewdney BC : Synaxis Press, 1995), pp. 19-20

R--A heretical tome and revision of a work (below) NOT ALLOWED TO BE SOLD in ROCOR bookstores due TO HERETICAL CONTENT.

"Moreover, as we discussed in our previous book, The Soul, The Body, and Death, (Chapter 6: "Things Done For the Reposed") the souls of the righteous not only perceive in the realm of grace,

R--What of the Particular Judgement? This alludes to soul sleep and is heresy. Error.

but do not cease to increase both in peace and spiritual advancement, being increased by the prayers of the Church on their behalf.

R--Inaccurate, after death, we cease on our own behalf to increase or decrease and we are SOLELY AT THE MERCY OF THE PRAYERS OF THE CHURCH IN THIS REGARD. Error.

Indeed, theosis is the blessed transfiguration and transformation of the whole human person, within whom the Holy Spirit dwells. This person, so transformed, bears a truly filial relationship to the Father as an icon of Christ."

R--Confused, in other words, the SAVED, SAINTS, are inactive after death, but not participating in the eschaton?! BLASPHEMY. And how does this apply to those who aren't saved. No Father taught this. Error.

Op cit, p. 28

His Eminence SPECIFICALLY AND CATEGORICALLY identifies soul-sleep as heresy:

"Since many fall into the error of speculation on these matters, two extremes of opinion have arisen. The first error is that common to many sectarians, who teach a heresy called 'soul-sleep,' or 'soul-slumber.' This error is based partly on a misunderstanding of the symbolic use of the word 'sleep' in Scripture and in certain of the holy fathers. This teaching holds that at death, the soul is either buried with the body or that it enters into a total comatose state and ceases not only its psychophysical functions, but even its spiritual function and growth."

R--This, soul sleep, is essentially what haler-puhalo is teaching. The difference being one of soul sleep heretic or semi-soul sleep heretic...

Op cit, p. 16

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R--I miss the star trek, comic book and anime section. Live long and prosper. Maybe there will be an Orthodox jurisdiction at star fleet academy in the future. Or possibly one at some southern trekkie convention. LOL!

I just went over these few statements and showed how this man hasn't a clue. If this is "true Orthodox theology," then luther and calvin were gods of their own worlds. It is unworthy of an Orthodox Christian.

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Re: The Good State of Archbishop Lazar of the OCA

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Kollyvas wrote:

R--I miss the star trek, comic book and anime section. Live long and >prosper. Maybe there will be an Orthodox jurisdiction at star fleet

How could you miss them? They're still there. Look again.

academy in the future. Or possibly one at some southern trekkie >convention. LOL!

There are certainly Orthodox Christians at Trek and other conventions.

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Inaccurate, after death, we cease to increase or decrease and we are SOLELY AT THE MERCY OF THE PRAYERS OF THE CHURCH IN THIS REGARD

Says who? A number of theologians, including St. Gregory of Nyssa (Life of Moses) asserts that we will continue growing (in closeness to God, call it deification if you like) for all eternity, and our growth is certainly helped, but does not depend on, the prayers of the church militant.

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The Life Of Moses

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St. Gregory in the LIFE OF MOSES, specifically addresses the path of perfection, that is, of sanctity. And in that work, he alludes to the athlete finishing the race successfully on earth in order to continue to compete in the Heavenly Kingdom. That means SAINTHOOD, where the soul is in direct experience of the eschaton, as opposed to a foretaste of heaven or hell, where the soul has not yet entered the eschaton but awaits the General Judgement. In the eschaton, time and space pass away and creation is made perfect in the fire of God's love which burns and purifies sinners and continues to make perfect the righteous. When the soul is parted from the body, its activities on the part of the person become passive, because a GREAT TRAGEDY HAS OCCURED--personhood has ceased. That's straight from Fr. Georges Florovsky, A REAL ORTHODOX THEOLOGIAN, CREATION AND REDEMPTION THE PIECE, dealing specifically with St. Gregory of Nyssa.

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Just because someone is Orthodox and goes somewhere or watches something doesn't make it Orthodox, but it can make him/her heterodox...

I say DO bring this thread up on other forums--let everyone know the Truth about mr. haler-puhalo! After all, why is it that an erroneous OCA position on his "legitimacy" has exclusivity. If someone has the courage to direct people to this forum, they should have the courage to be proven wrong and be enthusiastic about other people seeing the EVIDENCE.

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