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eish wrote: Sun 18 May 2025 12:33 pm

Canons for thee but not for me. MP does it all the time. There was a US case which Bp. Enoch--IIRC--brought up in Fr. Joseph's show, in which an old nun was thrown out on the street for refusing to join the ROCOR union and the MP lied in court that they had laicised her. One of the true bishops had to go explain to a confused Jewish judge how it works. I think a kindly cop ended up taking her in. Perhaps Father can remind us who it was that confessed the faith in this way--@Suaidan

I believe those were two sisters of Novo Diveyevo in New Jersey and I believe that was Bp Andrei of the ROAC who would have more details. I think there's even video on YouTube?

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Yes, I remember seeing that video. Where it is today, I don't know. It was taken by a witness on her cell phone in the corridor perhaps of the upstairs when the 2 nuns were being physically thrown out of the residential quarters of - Novo-Diveyevo, you're right. [Though it's in New York, not New Jersey]
The ROAC nuns were not that elderly, though.
Maybe middle-aged.

So it sounds to me like separate stories.

Yes, Jean-Serge, well put. Barbara Larin is indeed a show-woman. She ALWAYS has been since she started that youtube programme. [To think I watched the 1st episode !]
The unhumble nun got worse over the years.

She absolutely deserved this laicization.

Let's DO see what happens.
I'll check that link tomorrow, thanks for posting it.

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eish wrote: Sun 18 May 2025 12:33 pm
Jean-Serge wrote: Sun 18 May 2025 11:38 am

I thought that once you were a monk, you remained it for life (from what I remember from Saint Nikodemos's Manual of Confession). She could kiss the Pope's hand, write dubious things about sexuality without sanctions... She's a show-woman... Let's wait for the next episodes...

Canons for thee but not for me. MP does it all the time. There was a US case which Bp. Enoch--IIRC--brought up in Fr. Joseph's show, in which an old nun was thrown out on the street for refusing to join the ROCOR union and the MP lied in court that they had laicised her. One of the true bishops had to go explain to a confused Jewish judge how it works. I think a kindly cop ended up taking her in. Perhaps Father can remind us who it was that confessed the faith in this way--@Suaidan

I believe you are referring to Mother Pelagia, who reposed in the ROAC. She was living at Novo-Diveevo and around the time of the Union, and when she refused to go to Church or leave, they began by trying to force her and another nun, Mother Irene, out by taking out the heating unit, putting padlocks on the cabinets, bathrooms, etc.

Eventually (and it's recorded on video) the Laurites physically threw them out of the Convent, they sued for damages and also because they were illegally thrown out (as both of them had been there for decades), so the courts took up the case and the ROCOR-MP claimed they "defrocked" them from monasticism. Vladyka Andrei -- my Bishop -- showed up to court and explained that's not how that works.

Mother Pelagia was homeless and a cop saw her weeping on a park bench and took her in out of pity. She is buried at the Sleepy Hollow cemetery.

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SavaBeljovic wrote: Mon 19 May 2025 8:24 am

I believe you are referring to Mother Pelagia, who reposed in the ROAC. She was living at Novo-Diveevo and around the time of the Union, and when she refused to go to Church or leave, they began by trying to force her and another nun, Mother Irene, out by taking out the heating unit, putting padlocks on the cabinets, bathrooms, etc.

Eventually (and it's recorded on video) the Laurites physically threw them out of the Convent, they sued for damages and also because they were illegally thrown out (as both of them had been there for decades), so the courts took up the case and the ROCOR-MP claimed they "defrocked" them from monasticism. Vladyka Andrei -- my Bishop -- showed up to court and explained that's not how that works.

Mother Pelagia was homeless and a cop saw her weeping on a park bench and took her in out of pity. She is buried at the Sleepy Hollow cemetery.

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Thank you, I found the defiant reply by Barbara Larin on facebook.

I would observe that it reveals her mental instability. Obviously her Synod has the right to "tell her how to dress" - at least her Bishop did while she was still a nun of the Rocor-MP.

Looks like she was keeping this switchover to OCU in reserve just waiting for the moment when she would be defrocked by Rocor.

She defensively insists that her vocation is from God not from men. But what is the Orthodox Church - and especially, monasticism - all ABOUT ? Obedience, humility...

She writes pugnaciously "What I wear or do not wear is dictated by common sense as it is in the case of any adult living in the free world. I don’t consult a bishop across the ocean about it, because I am not mentally impaired."

I'm not too sure about THAT !

The picture in lay attire she posted captures her internal cauldron angrily churning away


To anyone wondering, I am fine. I am Sister Vassa, a ryassofor nun in the jurisdiction of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine.
For the last two years, the ROCOR hierarchy has attempted to silence me on the issues connected to Patriarch Kirill’s vocal and even heretical support of the criminal Russian aggression against Ukrainians. And his jurisdiction’s uncanonical defrocking of clerics for “disobedience” to his anti-Christian agenda and teaching on “Holy War.” Now the ROCOR has issued a decree (that was sent to me in Russian, using the old, pre-revolutionary Russian orthography, which is the only not-Soviet aspect of the decree) that is meant to unmake-me a nun and to tell me how to dress. For some reason it has been posted on the ROCOR website, perhaps to assure the Kremlin that the ROCOR has nothing to do with me anymore.
As one who has studied Orthodox Canon Law for decades (it made up a third of my doctoral exam at the University of Munich’s Institute of Orthodox Theology), and was for years a member of the Moscow Patriarchate’s Interconciliar Presence Commission for Canon Law (and its Commission for Liturgy and Church Art), I could not be silent about the church-canonical and liturgical propagation of the MP’s ideology within our church-communion. This includes the manipulation of church-canons to force clergy into “obedience” to Putin’s and Patriarch Kirill’s agenda, and the use of liturgical prayer and symbolism to justify and promote the killing of innocent people. I never signed up for that. I took no vows either to defend it, or to represent it, to be “obedient” to it, or to cover it up by sharing in the silence of the ROCOR hierarchy about it.
My vocation, which is from God and not from men, is that of a nun living and working (and even tonsured into the ryassofor-status, which does not involve the taking of any vows) outside any monastery, in “the world.” I have been living and working in “the world” for 27 of the 34 years of my monastic life. What I wear or do not wear is dictated by common sense as it is in the case of any adult living in the free world. I don’t consult a bishop across the ocean about it, because I am not mentally impaired.
Today I thank God for my vocation, and for His people whom I am privileged to serve in the small ways that I do, mostly online, and who continue entirely to support through crowd-funding our little online mission of Coffee with Sister Vassa, which was never supported by the ROCOR in any way. God bless us all, at this time of robust growth in faith, in our Lord Jesus Christ and our Father in heaven, Who does not abandon His Church by the abundant grace of His Spirit. Thank You, God, for all of it.
Below I post a few photos of me, one in my habit today and one not in my habit (on the bus on my way to Kyiv last week). It’s me, Sister Vassa, who I am in both photos. Nobody changes that, not any clothing nor any decree, - and certainly not the uncanonical, shameful one issued recently by a ROCOR hierarchy that has lost its way. Christ is risen, dear friends!

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