ROCiE

spiridon · Post by **spiridon** » Fri 14 July 2006 12:07 am

Here in San Francisco the Rocie Laity are also coming to little by little to the Cathedral(Rocor), and this isnt rumors, this is my own eyes that have seen this in the past 2 months... and the beautiful thing is all the Priests of the Rocor are willing to do anything to embrace the Rocie Laity and Priesthood back into there Home- The Russian Church abroad of then and now- never changing

Fr. Andrew · Post by **Fr. Andrew** » Fri 14 July 2006 10:48 am

Spyridon (Gilbert) you wrote:

Here in San Francisco the Rocie Laity are also coming to little by little to the Cathedral(Rocor), and this isnt rumors, this is my own eyes that have seen this in the past 2 months... and the beautiful thing is all the Priests of the Rocor are willing to do anything to embrace the Rocie Laity and Priesthood back into there Home- The Russian Church abroad of then and now- never changing

Well I wonder if these your "own eyes have seen" are just the ones who have always been going there? It was well known that the "secret" congregation of A.B. Anthony (Nikita) orloff have been doing this instead of going to the Moss beach convent. Have you seen these people communing? It wouldn't surprise me in the least. Also many go there to venerate the relics of Saint John.
But for you to say that ROCOR is never-changing is just plain wrong. Why do you suppose so many protests have started and continue since 2000? What about the clergy who have left even recently? Spyridon (Gilbert) please don't jump on the bandwagon of kicking our church we have enough difficulties right now. You do yourself a great disservice.
Fr. Andrew

P.S. As far as Montreal is concerned, the problem is more from the disruption of normalcy caused by Archbishop Anthony and that woman Mitsi who he seems to be enthralled with. Olga K. was in my home just a few weeks ago and spent an entire weekend with us. People are fed up with the constant suspicion and accusations that this woman has brought into the church. The policy in Montreal was always to baptise people from the MP and to look into the manner of reception of all who came to them. There was even a directive in the early 1990's concerning this. Some clergy chose to ignore it some did not. But of course now I am not surprized at such "accusations" against ROCIE in Montreal. The new mentality in ROCOR doesn't allow for the caution that is normal for all clergy. A priest does not just accept anyone who says they are "orthodox." We have to see what is their background. If there is nothing wrong then fine... I am not whitewashing anything but the reasons for people becoming "fed up" are much more invovled and not as simple as you write. Crumbling? Perhaps a bit strong a word. One could argue this point.

Priest Siluan · Post by **Priest Siluan** » Fri 14 July 2006 2:14 pm

Fr. Andrew wrote:
But for you to say that ROCOR is never-changing is just plain wrong. Why do you suppose so many protests have started and continue since 2000?

And since the early 1990's in Russia.

Ekaterina · Post by **Ekaterina** » Fri 14 July 2006 2:30 pm

I just love double standards...... trash ROCOR all you want, say anything (even if it's lies) and it's okay....

BUT.......

trash Rocie (or any other jurtisdiction for that matter) in the same fashion....well that's simply not forgivable or acceptable..

Please if we'd all just stop with the nonsence maybe God could get all this doo doo sorted out.

Katya

Fr. Andrew · Post by **Fr. Andrew** » Fri 14 July 2006 3:50 pm

No double standards at all! Just lets get the matters straight. If you read my letter again you will see that I do not hide the problems in our church. But think again why we even exist? I just celebrated my 15 years of the priesthood being ordained by Vladika metropolitan Vitaly on his fourtieth anniversary of being a bishop (Peter and Paul). My spiritual Father was the spiritual son of metropolitan Philaret. I full well understand what I am saying.

spiridon · Post by **spiridon** » Fri 14 July 2006 8:04 pm

So you take it upon yourself to call me by my secular name on a public site for What reason ?
To show me that you know who I am ? I really could care less who knows who i am, I have never seen the moss beach and the L.a lay people people receive holy communion, But I have seen them get Blessings from the Visiting bishop and even receive the Holy oil on there foreheads at the end of vigil...I havent said anything wrong or false, But according to your judgement -I have...
Lets go over what i said- I said that the laypeople of Roice are also coming to The Cathedral( what i meant was. even as I have) meaning I have also gone many,many times to venerate the Relics of St.John of shanghai and san francisco, and also the relics of St.John of Kronstadt...
I never said they received Communion, and the Church Abroad has changed HOW? they still according to my knowledge follow the same Eclestical beliefs as you and your Bishop do, Right? I mean we stil all Believe in The Triune God, The Blessed Mother of our God and Saviour all the Angels and Saints of God, including St.John of Shanghai and San Francisco, right ??? sure there may be many questions from many years ago first brought up by The Hocna,about this MP unia, whom by the way also were made against Metropolitan Vitaly, but these are clearly dealings outside of the Salvific Path, and no longer concern me Father, I as you know very well have much to say about the Rocie and those I have personally met as mionastics and Priests and laity and Bishops , for i have even spilled my deepest and sorrowful secrets, not as a serpent, But in an all out Yearning for help to save my soul , and what do i have to say about them-nothing but Good things, I have never been treated in anyway that I didnt deserve as a wretched sinner, i pray for them who spent a long year with me, every morning and night and would even recommend my own Brother and Mother to seek shelter with The Rocie that I have met, But for some reason I was not allowed seek shelter and save my soul with them, was it there decision- NO, it was GOD`s Grace that shifted the very grown i walk on, and led me to my current position to save my soul... I beg your forgiveness Father and please know that I am not speaking towards you in such a tone that would be considered disrespectful to your Priesthood, instead i write to you with the upmost respect, it was you that crossed and shared with many non-Believers that lurk this site, my secular name- come on Father , its a modern world of many cruel and dangerous people and they know my secular name now...Im not a Priest and dont have to make my name public If i choose not too...
In Christ and not a worldly Jurisdiction,
spiridon a wretched sinner

Fr. Andrew · Post by **Fr. Andrew** » Fri 14 July 2006 8:26 pm

Spyridon please don't get excited. What I was saying is that what you wrote is nothing new and certainly not sign of our church crumbling. As the news from Montreal was also not quite accurate. I think the problems there for people leaving are deeper then just "reception." It was inevitable and quite foreseeable that people would leave in disgust (seeking only peace) when such a beloved figure as Archbishop Sergei would suddenly die and a bully comes into his place not taking into account the flock and there feelings. Also it saddens me to see you so easily get wrapped up in this type of gossip especially being so young in the faith. Our first steps should be in being immersed in the lives of Saints. We all need to focus on the one thing needful.

I meant no harm.

I'll go off now for a while, it seems I can only stir up troubles when I try to talk.