ROCOR-L UNANIMOUSLY VOTES TO UNITE WITH MP!

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RCOR Bishops' Council: reunification to become reality

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RCOR Bishops' Council: reunification to become reality
18:15 | 23/ 05/ 2006
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20060523/48490879.html

MOSCOW, (Alexei Makarkin, Deputy Director General of the Center for Political Technologies, for RIA Novosti)

  • The latest Bishops' Council of the Russian Church Outside Russia, or RCOR, approved a draft Act on Canonical Communion with the Moscow Patriarchate. This certainly does not mean the two churches will merge at once, though the prospect is close at hand. The RCOR and the Moscow Patriarchate both intend to make the draft public for the flock even before its final approval.

Reunification efforts were launched with dynamic participation of Russia's secular authorities. President Vladimir Putin met with RCOR hierarchs. A dialogue between the churches, which started several years ago and has gone on to this day, encountered many problems. Thus there is an extremely involved matter to settle-the status of the members of the clergy who left the Russian Orthodox Church under the Moscow Patriarchate for the RCOR in the 1990s. Some of them received promotion, unrecognized by the Moscow Patriarchate as yet. There is another issue, RCOR parishes in Russia and Ukraine, which are in harsh and lasting confrontation with the Patriarchate. Last but not least, there is the RCOR Eucharistic communion with some of so-called Old Style ecclesiastical communities in Greece, Bulgaria and Romania. Such communities owe their name to the Julian calendar, to which they still cling though their countries' established churches have long shifted to the Gregorian. Those communities direly oppose the official top of their national churches. To communicate with them is the last thing the Russian Orthodox Church wants, with its firm desire to preserve friendly contacts with the canonical sister churches.

However essential those issues might be, they boil down to sheer technicalities, and can be settled if a reunification understanding is reached in principle. Such an understanding is available now, despite all the obstacles the parties have come against. Thus, the RCOR was initially expected to finally determine canonical communion with the Russian Orthodox Church under the Moscow Patriarchate reinstated at its General Synod, which preceded the Bishops' Council to gather bishops, clerics and members of the laity. Many of the RCOR clergy and flock approve of the merger idea, for a number of reasons, and point out the sizeable progress the Moscow Patriarchate has made to meet the RCOR halfway and comply with conditions the Church based abroad deems indispensable for ecclesiastical unity, so the reunification prospects appear quite tangible.

Thus the Russian Orthodox Church has canonized many of the New Martyrs-victims of Bolshevik reprisals. The Royal family is among the newly canonized. That matters a great deal to the RCOR, many of whose clergy and flock worshipped Russia's last Emperor as a holy martyr even before 1981, when the RCOR, then Russian Church in Exile, canonized him.

There is another major problem also rooted in the distant past. The Church abroad insisted on the Moscow Patriarchate denouncing the 1927 Declaration of Metropolitan Sergius, which spelt the start of concordance between the Bolshevik regime and such part of the Russian Orthodox clergy and laity as approved their Primate's move. The Russian Orthodox Church under the Moscow Patriarchate certainly cannot denounce the Declaration-otherwise, it will undermine the prestige of Sergius, who ascended the Patriarchal throne at the decline of his life, and of all its subsequent Primates. However, a majority of the present-day RCOR clergy and hierarchy regard Patriarch Sergius as belonging to the hoary past, and do not intend to break lances over the verbal subtleties of documents related to him. They are willing to make do with the Church distancing itself from the State, as the Russian Orthodox Church stresses in its Social Doctrine.

There is another point of controversy, the most involved of all-ecumenical activities of the Moscow Patriarchate. However insistent the RCOR purists might be in their demands to put an end to ecumenical contacts once and for all, the Patriarchate is set against leaving the World Council of Churches, the principal vehicle of ecumenical efforts, even though the Russian Orthodox Church has limited such efforts.

The opposition within the RCOR is strong enough. It threatened to split the Church even during its General Synod. That was why the gathering failed to make a final reunification decision. Nevertheless, it came to a compromise resolution to approve reunification prospects in principle with mild references to the necessity to convene the Local Council, and to the highly desirable withdrawal of the Russian Orthodox Church from the ecumenical WCC. Practical decisions were left for the Bishops' Council, where the opposition is not nearly as resolute. However, the Council did not dare to make any binding resolutions, and merely approved unity prospects as a vague matter of principle. The Council also chose to shift responsibility, this time to the Bishops' Synod of five, of whom Bishop Gabriel alone opposes tentative merger.

To all appearances, the Bishops' Synod will approve reunification after all remaining issues come to a long-awaited settlement. There is another stumbling block, however-the Local Council to be convened. Many in the Russian Orthodox Church do not think this is a good time for the Council lest it provide the rostrum for irresponsible propaganda by radicals of the many trends. If the Local Council does not come up in the Bishops' Synod resolution as an indispensable condition, the opposition will feel morally justified breaking away from the RCOR. Most probably, it will join the many Old Style communities based in Russia and Greece alike. The prospects promise a spectacularly improved public image of the Moscow Patriarchate and Russia's secular authorities, to which the church merger will come as a revival of pre-Soviet traditions.

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Mountain Gave Birth to a Mouse/Frog Wasn't Fully Cooked

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21 May 2006

"The Mountain Gave Birth to a Mouse" or "The Frog Was Not Fully-Cooked"

It is precisely these thoughts that came to mind upon reading the
most-vacuous "Epistle to the God-beloved Flock of the Council of
Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, which took place 15
through 19 May 2006".

The entire epistle, from beginning to end, is a clumsy attempt to
stupefy their flock yet once again; to impress upon them, yet once
again, the idea that "everything is in order; that there are no
changes; that you can sleep soundly". The assessment of the IV
All-emigre Council of the ROCa(L) as being one of "the mountain gave
birth to a mouse" was borrowed by the Editor from a letter by one of
our readers. In that selfsame letter, in an attempt to explain the
reasons for such a result, that very same reader expressed the
supposition that the "episcopate of the ROCa(L), apparently, became
frightened at the prospect of the Dread Judgment"(!)

Such a supposition is a completely undeserved idealization of the
actions of the episcopate of the ROCa(L) and of their suite of
turncoats. As has been previously indicated on the pages of the
"Russia-Talk" website, the "dread judgment" for such people is not
that Dread Judgment which our reader had in view. For them, the
"dread judgments" are their losses in the [court] cases that the
Synod of the ROCa(L) has undertaken against Metropolitan Vitaly,
against the elderly nuns of the Holy Vladimir Convent, against the
LEGITIMATE Brotherhood of St. Jov of Pochaev, et al.

In addition to the host of those "dread judgments" which have already
taken place, the episcopate of the ROCa(L) is fully cognizant of the
fact that in the event of an open union with the MP, it will become
the object of an unpredictable number of "dread judgments", which,
without a doubt, will be started against it by their "God-beloved
flock" - according to an estimate of the Editor of "Russia-Talk" more
than 60% of this flock has no intentions of "uniting" [with the
MP]. In such cases, as precedent shows, the Synod will
most-assuredly lose that which, for it, far surpasses all else - its
precious property. That, probably, is all that can be said
concerning the results of the IV All-emigre Council (6 - 11 May 2006)
and that of the Council of Bishops of the ROCa(L) which followed it
(15 - 19 May 2006). More details concerning these are provided in
the commentary on the results of the IV All-emigre Council of the
ROCa(L) ["And the Last Lie Shall Be Worse Than the First"]

The thing is that there is no sense in attempting to seek out
theological considerations in the processes that have transpired. As
the last five years (at the very least) have shown, the ROCa(L), just
like the MP, is governed by purely selfish and immediate political interests.

And, finally, how can one speak about a union between an organization
pretending at churchliness, the ROCa(L), with a surviving department
of the KGB - the MP? Let us remember that Metropolitan Philaret
admonished us that it is impossible to dialogue with heretics,
monologue alone being possible [with them] - the exhorting of an
heretic in the truth.

P. Budzilovich
May 2006
Nyack, USA

Translated from the Russian. The original Russian text is located
at: http://www.russia-talk.com/otkliki/ot-477.htm

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Those in the Church Abroad that don't like what is happening are free to leave.
Just don't tell the rest of us what to think; go to some other outfit that agrees with you and quit whining. And the on the day this is finalised, I expect the whiners/naysayers to shut up or leave.
I still don't understand why anyone w/o a dog in this fight (roac, etc...) are even commenting on what has been long overdue. Since both ROCOR and the MP are heretics, why should they even care??

I'm just so dang happy!!!!! :D

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SCWATERFOWL wrote:

go to some other outfit that agrees with you

So is this site no longer for everyone? Is this site now just for ROAC?And since when are you the voice of the moderators of this site?

Milla...getting awfully fed up with jurisdiction bashing.

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Liudmilla wrote:

SCWATERFOWL wrote:

go to some other outfit that agrees with you

So is this site no longer for everyone? Is this site now just for ROAC?

Of course not LIudmilla. And it never will be, but rather stay pan-jurisdictional for traditionalist Orthodox Christians and those that want to learn more about it. I, for one, am glad to see you back posting. You were one of our original "Cafe Babas" and I always apprecioate what you bring to the forums here.

Our moderators are from not only the ROAC, but the GOC and ROCiE too.

SCWaterFowl wrote:

I still don't understand why anyone w/o a dog in this fight (roac, etc...) are even commenting on ...

Well Fowl, I am willing to bet that those that were once in ROCOR left and found it painful to leave, loving the people and what ROCOR was before conditions arose that made them feel that they had to leave or else they would be betraying their conscience. We all love the people of ROCOR, and as for myself (although I think I can safely assume I can speak for most traditionalists) I would love nothing more than to have seen ROCOR reverse from the path it is on to joining the MP and return to the strong pillar of Faith it has always been.*

For the record, I do not believe I have ever confemned the ROCOR(L) as graceless.

If you wonder what I speak of when I say this, please read the "HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS OF THE ROCOR " at http://roacusa.org/documents.html which shows 30 years of official stances of the ROCOR with much of it from an official periodical of the Synod called, "NEWSLETTER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN RELATIONS" written by the Secretary of the Synod.

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Wow, it will be interesting to see how scwaterfowl responds.

I read it that those in the ROCOR who don't like what just took place can either "shut up" or go to some other "jurisdiction".

Also, that anyone who is not part of ROCOR, like ROAC, who doesn't have a part in this decision, why are they even commenting?

Since they ROAC and other "Traditional" types consider the ROCOR (L) and MP heretical, why should it matter?

He seems to be pro ROCOR-MP and is dang happy about the union.

I don't think he was discussing this board here, and who should be allowed to participate and who shouldn't.

Like I said, it will be interesting to hear his response.

Your fellow struggler in Christ,

Rd. Chrysostomos

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http://www.ipc.od.ua/_jizn_tcervi_txt_060523.html

Notice to the flock of the Odessa and Zaporozh'ye Dioceses of ROCOR
regarding the conclusions of the IV All-Diaspora Council and Council
of Bishops

By the will of God, the IV All-Diaspora Council of the Russian
Orthodox Church Outside of Russia was conducted in the spirit of
unanimity and sobornost'. Regarding the union with the Moscow
Patriarchate, practically all those who spoke said that this union
was desired, but in our Church there are different understandings of
when and under what conditions such a union can take place.

The resolution of the IV All-Diaspora Council, accepted practically
unanimously (with but a few abstaining or voting against), states
that such a union is possible in the future, after the elimination
of the differences between us of a fundamental nature (ecumenism was
mentioned), and that this union can become final only at the Local
Council of the entire Russian Church, with the participation of
clergy and laity.

There is some evidence that the thrust of this document was inspired
by St. John. Maximovich, on whose relics were laid the preliminary
draft of the resolution while a moleben was served. Personally, the
invisible presence and influence of St. John on the work of the
Council are obvious to me.

Such was the divinely-inspired determination of the IV All-Diaspora
Council.

The Council of Bishops which took place afterwards confirmed this
determination of the All-Diaspora Council. The principal discussion
at the Council of Bishops concerned the Act of Canonical Communion -
a completely confidential document, developed by the commissions for
discussion, the consideration of which had not been provided for
even among all the bishops of ROCOR and the reading of which was not
initially proposed even at the All-Diaspora Council. In view of its
questionable nature, references to this Act were intentionally
excluded both from the resolution of the IV All-Diaspora Council and
from the Epistle of the Council of Bishops.

At the Council of Bishops I gave a separate opinion about this Act.
In it is said:

"I consider the appearance itself of this Act of Canonical Communion
and, all the more, its consideration, to be premature, since the
differences of a fundamental nature between our sides - questions
about ecumenism and sergianism - have not yet been resolved.

Furthermore, we recognize that according to the decision of the
Local Council of 1918, the supreme authority in the Church belongs
to the Local Council with the participation of bishops, clergy and
laity. Only such a Council is empowered to select a church
administration which may act in the inter-conciliar period. The
fullness of the Russian Church has awaited and waits for namely this
Council since the time of the repose of Patriarch Tikhon and, since
such a Council has not been convened, we do not have the right to
arbitrarily establish a Supreme Church Authority, or ourselves
determine our canonical status. We only can temporarily, until the
convocation of the Local Council, mutually recognize or not
recognize the canonicity of the existence of various parts of the
Church with their existing authority, with the condition of the
acknowledgement of the absence to this day of a legitimately chosen
Supreme Church Authority.

The Act, however, without basis places one part of the Church above
the other and actually makes the authority of one of the parts of
the ROC the Supreme Church Authority (commemoration of the head of
one part of the Church by the other part, obtaining of Holy Myrrh,
the confirmation of hierarchs, etc.,), which is illegitimate.

Upon reaching unanimity on the questions of ecumenism and
sergianism, and mutual recognition of the authority in the ROC of
the coming Local council, we can establish eucharistic communion
without creating in this case, naturally, a common supreme authority.

In light of what has been presented, I consider it necessary to put
off the examination of the aforementioned Act, bearing as it does a
threat to the existence itself of ROCOR, until an agreement in
principle is reached on all the questions which divide us."(text
based on a draft of this document).

This separate opinion was appended to the protocols of the Council
of Bishops.

The document was supported also by their Graces Daniel and Gabriel.
There was no vote on adoption of the Act and therefore I am not
completely clear on the provenance of the assertion that the
Act "was adopted and approved in principle." Neither does the
communication correspond to reality when it says that "final
confirmation of the text of the Act, as well as details as to its
ceremonial signing, was conferred upon the Synod of Bishops." The
question of the "final confirmation of the text of the Act by the
Synod of Bishops" was in fact raised (without reference to
the "details as to its ceremonial signing" - I read this word
combination for the first time on the Internet), but because of the
presence of different opinions it was postponed without a final
decision of the Council. Voting on this question also was not
conducted. Therefore the communiquх about the conclusion of the
Council of Bishops of ROCOR of May 19, 2006, placed on the official
site of our Synod, causes, at the least, bewilderment - indeed,
besides the above- mentioned, it actually contradicts the resolution
taken and affirmed by the IV All-Diaspora Council.

I believe that some time will be needed in order to comprehend all
that which occurred at the All-Diaspora and Bishops' Councils and
henceforth, until there has been a complete and final explanation of
Conciliar opinion, it will be necessary to abstain from various
categorical statements which contradict the spirit and letter of
both Councils of our Church. So far it can only be said definitively
that the Councils undertook no "revolutionary" changes in the life
of ROCOR, and it remains for us to live the same life as always.
There can only be a question about which direction (in relations
with the MP) this church life is given.

Glory be to our God!

  • Bishop Agathangel

Odessa, May 23, 2006

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