Cyprian Was Wrong on Rebaptism

[Evfimy]

Eusebius states that Peter was bishop in Rome untill his death. [Chronicles 44].

To name one example.

[GOCPriestMark]

Then Eusebius is wrong since St. Peter was never a bishop at all. (Or more likely, your source for the quote is wrong.)

[Evfimy]

Then Eusebius is wrong since St. Peter was never a bishop at all. (Or more likely, your source for the quote is wrong.)

Do you know that what you just said does not reflect the understanding of the Orthodox fathers of the pre-schism Church? We can start a whole discussion on this if you like.

Here is the direct quote from Eusebius I mentioned before.

"Peter, that coryphaeus, after having first founded the church at Antioch, went away to Rome preaching the Gospel, and he also, after [presiding over] the church in Antioch, presided over that of Rome untill his death. [Chronicle, 44 A.D. PG 19:539].

The "pillar of Orthodoxy" Pope Saint Leo the Great himself, referred to the Roman See of Peter. [Sermon 82. PL 54, 422-4].

[Evfimy]

Then Eusebius is wrong since St. Peter was never a bishop at all. (Or more likely, your source for the quote is wrong.)

Please notice I use primary source material, not secondary sources. Do you know that what you just said does not reflect the understanding of the Orthodox fathers of the pre-schism Church? We can start a whole discussion on this if you like.

Here is the direct quote from Eusebius I mentioned before.

"Peter, that coryphaeus, after having first founded the church at Antioch, went away to Rome preaching the Gospel, and he also, after [presiding over] the church in Antioch, presided over that of Rome untill his death. [Chronicle, 44 A.D. PG 19:539].

A "pillar of Orthodoxy" Pope Saint Leo the Great himself, referred to the Roman See of Peter. [Sermon 82. PL 54, 422-4].

[GOCPriestMark]

St. Peter was an Apostle and as such he travelled and preached and appointed bishops to each place. He appointed Linus for Rome as its first bishop.

Do you make no distinction between apostle and bishop?

Evfimy, why all this fuss? Do you want to join the Orthodox Church? If so, you will need to be baptised in to it. If not, then why do you care how we order our own house? If you like being under the Pope then go. You have free will, use it as you wish.

[Evfimy]

St. Peter was an Apostle and as such he travelled and preached and appointed bishops to each place. He appointed Linus for Rome as its first bishop.

Do you make no distinction between apostle and bishop?

Just because one is an apostle, does not mean they cannot be a bishop.

Peter was bishop of Rome. Eusebius said he presided at Rome. A bishop presides.

The fathers refer to the succession from the "Chair" that Peter first sat on in the "see" at Rome. And they speak of the "office" of Peter. There are so many accounts of this, it would take a long time for me to post them here. But I will give one for now.

Saint Optatus said this when refuting the Donatists:

"...You cannot deny, then, that you know that in the city of Rome the episcopal Chair first conferred upon Peter, in which Peter, head of all the apostles, first sat, wherefore he was called Cephas: in which one Chair unity may be preserved by all...."

He continued:

"Therefore in the unique Chair, which is the first of the endowments, Peter first sat: to whom succeeded Linus, to Linus, succeeded Clement, to Clement Anacletus, to Anacletus Evaristus," etc, etc. [Contra Parmenianum, II, 2-3. PL 11: 947-50].

[Jean-Serge]

We are mixing 2 subjects : the question of the papal pretention, with the simple question of baptizing heretics...

• up to now Evfimy could not explain why Novatians were baptized (see the post where I speak about them; it was a decision by a council)

• why if the popes were believed to be infallible, Honorius was condemned by a council (which shows they did not believe at all in something like the infallibility)

• why popes had different opinion about the Filioque... If Evfimy is logical, the true Roman popes condeming if and the Frank popes supporting it. For instance, the Pope John VII supported the council that reinstalled Photius; in this council those who changed the Creed were condemned. But since after that the papacy fell in hands of heretics, it adopted the false version of the creed. Then one must be wrong which proves this infallibility does not exist. The same could be said about Inmaculate conception...