The RC church: it has come to this

[sue57]

I just wonder Latin Trad, for the sake of argument, whether it could be that Pope John started out with the best of intentions, and a love for the RC church, but the evil one, seeing an "in" took advantage of everything that has followed since, when was it, 1962?
Our local paper has a section called "Our Towns." It concentrates, you know, on the library in one of the smaller towns surrounding Rochester, local news, etc. Today they devoted the entire section to one of the Catholic high schools. The "campus minister" is a laywomen, she teaches "peer ministry", the class teaches high school students how to distribute Communion, a photo shows a teenage girl placing an unconsecrated host in her friend's hand.
Sorry, but I don't think there is anywhere left in the RC church that has not been corrupted by modernism. Yes, the Tridentine Mass is lovely and moving, but the American RC church regards it as an embarassment and a concession to "crazy traditionalists" who will die out soon enough. One think I notice about Orthodoxy, is the extreme reverence used in the distribution of Holy Communion, as if it is the Body and Blood of our Saviour, not a cocktail hor d'oevre. I know my anger is very obvious, but I believe that there is no faith more self-hating than contemporary Catholicism. I've said this before, but I don't see ROCOR or any Orthodox jurisdiction, orthodox Judaism, or Islam apologizing all over the place for male clergy and opposing homosexual marriage. Only the Catholics seem to think that they are going something "wrong." And why is it appropriate to approach Holy Communion without awe and wonder?
Well, that's my rant for tonight. I'm getting too angry thinking about that stupid article.

[Savva24]

Of course there are no mistakes in Holy Scripture. Matthew would never have given Peter's name a feminine ending, so he called him Petros. The next clause contains the adjective "tautén" "THIS", to make it clear that the two are the same. It really has nothing to do with Aramaic.
God bless all-

LatinTrad

Dear LatinTrad、

I really don't have sufficient kｎｏｗｌｅｄｇｅ or interest to argue this one out but I just have one question.
Just wondering if all of those quotes from the fathers explaining rather lucidly what Our Lord was talking about (concerning Peter and his faith) which Nicholas was kind enough to post for us means anything at all. Or is it that Roman doctrinal development overwrites what they have to say?

In Christ,
Nicholas (Savva)

[Jakub]

I wish I had time to have input on the discussion but I am going out of town for a week or so to see my brother (cancer) & sister, one thing, Sue's last post says alot bout the ARCC and I agree with most, I wish the Patriarch of the West would be more traditional and conservative, yes LT, my ideas regarding the Papacy have changed, with age we aquire wisdom.

I wish my SS peace,

IC XC

james

[Gregory2]

"One think I notice about Orthodoxy, is the extreme reverence used in the distribution of Holy Communion, as if it is the Body and Blood of our Saviour"
-well, it is!

As a life-long observer of American Roman Catholicism one thing that has always struck me is the length at which people go to be submissive to the doctrine of Papal Supremacy -- as if this is more important than Christ himself! It's amazing that groups completely at odds with Papal teachings - like women's ordination advocates, or gays/lesbians, etc. - would try so hard to CHANGE papal teaching instead of just leaving the Roman Catholic church altogether -- this suggests that they definitely feel a need to stay submissive to the Pope of Rome!

I never have understood this, but I guess if you're ingrained with beliefs like this as a child they make an impression..... I think one of our roles as American Orthodox Christians is to make Christ's Church welcoming for anyone who seeks it.... God knows mankind needs it!!!

[Methodius]

LatinTrad seems to have no answer to those great questions and points everyone posted.

[Methodius]

Here is a great example of the heresy of Ecumenism running through the Latin church:

http://www.us.net/sova/VirginiaBeach/HolyApostles/

And yes, this IS a parish under a Cardinal and the Pope!

[Justin Kissel]

Methodius,

I don't know. What I do know is that, if I as an Orthodox Christian started posting on a Catholic forum, and I got bombarded by tons of quotes and arguments, I would probably not respond to any of them. To do so would be unavoidably fruitless. First, there'd be no way that I could answer their questions persuasively (they'd think I failed to offer a rebuttal, I'd think that I offered perfectly legitimate and persuasive counter arguments). Second, there'd be no way that I could answer all of their questions, leaving the impression that I was "avoiding some questions because I couldn't answer them". People see what they want to see in debates... it's not necessarily about being sincere or insincere, about having good or bad arguments, it's just a matter of human psychology. You, for instance, make the assumption that the arguments were so great that he didn't even want to try (or couldn't try) to argue with them. Maybe you're right. But I don't necessarily blame him for not trying to fight an army of Orthodox by his lonesome self!