Archbishop GREGORY of Denver and Colorado

[Alexis in Alaska]

Glory be to Jesus Christ!

Lord, Bless!

To Juvenaly: God Forgives.

To Forum Owner: Grave sins are being committed on this board; either this topic is closed or the Forum should be suspended. If this board is traditional--this advice will be followed. Putting fellow Orthodox in occassions of sin is a great transgression.

I would be surprised if my suggestion is taken; however, this will be the litmus test to see if this forum can be truly traditional by protecting the holiness of God-Beloved Orthodox Christians.

I will leave this Forum until this matter is corrected.

Lord, Bless!

In Christ,

Alexis

[Грешник]

God forgives, but you accuse.

Do you forgive?

You put forth options and then assume that they wil not be accomplished and rather than stay on to work WITH US you walk out the door. I feel this is wrong. If you make a suggestion, iy might be best to gollow up. Email the Admins and the Moderators and get their opinions. See what can be done if this is an issue for you.

Off this topic, it might do you good to talk to Father Dionysi McGowan who was a part of the ROAC before Bp Gregpry was made a Bishop. It might be good to see what went on while the Metropolitan was here if you feel that what I am saying is slanderous. All I am saying is follow through with your accusations and suggestions.

[Suaidan]

God forgives, but you accuse.

Do you forgive?

You put forth options and then assume that they wil not be accomplished and rather than stay on to work WITH US you walk out the door. I feel this is wrong. If you make a suggestion, iy might be best to gollow up. Email the Admins and the Moderators and get their opinions. See what can be done if this is an issue for you.

Off this topic, it might do you good to talk to Father Dionysi McGowan who was a part of the ROAC before Bp Gregpry was made a Bishop. It might be good to see what went on while the Metropolitan was here if you feel that what I am saying is slanderous. All I am saying is follow through with your accusations and suggestions.

I'd gladly speak to him on the phone as well. Perhaps he can share his number off list?

[TomS]

To Forum Owner: Grave sins are being committed on this board; either this topic is closed or the Forum should be suspended. If this board is traditional--this advice will be followed. Putting fellow Orthodox in occassions of sin is a great transgression.

I support and applaud Juvenaly for facing up to this crisis!

I support and applaud the owner and moderators of this board for not trying to "sweep the dirt under the carpet"!

It appears that they are seriously trying to come to grips with their errors in the past and reconnect with the communion of the Church.
You should do the same.

Orthodox are to follow the CHURCH - not a man.

Archbishop Gregory has a place in my heart because he did not reject me because of my many personal sins and my past; he was a true shephard of souls and I can and will never forget that! When I expected judgement and condemnation I received love and great kindness from His Eminence;

I know of NO Orthodox Priest who would not have done the same.

[Seraphim Reeves]

In all honesty, I think too much is being said, and it is to the detriment of all - particularly to those who are entirely outside of this situation, and are already coming to this with their own axes to grind.

The matter should (imho) have been kept quiet. I also have my own questions for both sides of this issue, the more I've dwelt on it. Unfortunately, I'm a victim of my own ignorance.

Privately, I've heard a lot of "interesting" things from BOTH sides of this dispute. In the end, if canonical order is going to be observed, both sets of accusations (those made by Archbishop Gregory, and those made by Metropolitan Valentin) will have to be carefully examined and ruled upon. There are no mini-Popes in Orthodoxy, or those who are above concilliar/synodal judgement.

Seraphim

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Alexis,

I have seen my share of unprovoked false accusations and slander delivered to the world via internet "calls of repentance". For the greater good I have always stayed silent about this in public forums, but I feel the unfortunate time is coming when this silence will no longer serve the greater good.

In the meantime, I do pray everyone including myself repents. If we each look at our own faults and involvement in this, especially those vested with the authority, and we bring ourselves to repentance, then I feel everything will be resolved immediately for the glory of God. There is still time for this, there is always time.

Archmandrite George said himself: “Therefore I suggest that since no one knows yet all the facts of this controversy that we refrain from any acts or statements until such time as the Synod makes a decision. Then the righteous shall shine forth and those in error will be corrected.”

Let's pray this happens and not contribute to deepening the divide.

[Suaidan]

I wish I could agree with such a sentiment.

However, I cannot. We in the ROAC in America know very well what is happening. This is why we cleaved to the Metropolitan in this situation. I have the unfortunate privilege of knowing a good deal about the situation. And I know well who I believe. It is a shame that one of our Bishops is guilty of gross dishonesty. I won't say who.

But to not speak at this point risks allowing a schism to occur. And it must be the job of the Church, if one man wishes to cause schism, to ensure that few souls are lost. This is why ROAC in America went public to begin with. To not do so would have been extremely dangerous.

I won't say anymore on the why of this exposure. I believe we have been as discreet as possible without risking the detriment of more souls than neccessary. This was done and the members of the Church in America are one and united. It is a shame that to "keep the ball rolling", the clergy involved in this mess fled-- without the blessing of and in contradiction to the Metropolitan, to Bulgaria and Greece.

What a shame.

It's even sadder that Fr George's post here was copied as "Reader Jerjis", though expanded, and more offensive, on the Orthodox-tradition list.

Joe Suaiden
Off the Clock