Metropolitan Kallistos Ware Preaches Evolution Heresy

[joasia]

Here's an interesting article about Ecclesiastic Psychotherapy and Secular Therapeutic Techniques. It has alot to do with the soul and therefore, in a simple but profound way, shows God's plan for mankind. The holy fathers were quite knowledgable about these issues. Even though we may not always find precise quotes, it is ignorance that states that because they didn't write about it, that they didn't know. They did write about everything, it's just that we don't always find their writings...especially in an English translation. Sure wish I knew how to understand Greek, it would open up so many opportunities in reading those books and articles that were never translated.

http://www.oodegr.com/english/psyxother ... _psyx1.htm

[Cyprian]

Cyprian,

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  I have repeatedly, and distinctly, answered every single question you have asked, [/quote]

You have not. After asking twice, you have only clarified one of the three points I asked about. You confirmed for us that you believe that one can either accept or reject the theory of Evolution and be orthodox in their belief. This is false. More on this later. The other two points you have still failed to clarify. Did animals kill and devour one another during these supposed millions of years you claim prior to the existence of Adam? You still have not answered. What is so hard about yes or no?

yet you, yourself, have refused to NAME the Orthodox Christian heresy that condemns those who accept the scientific theory of evolution.

I have told you multiple times now that your expression "Orthodox Christian heresy" is oxymoronic and illogical. You need to rephrase your question. I have also told you multiple times that the theory of Evolution is not "science" but rather science-fiction!

You have also refused to say whether you believe that the great Jurassic era dinosaurs were still alive upon the earth when Homo Sapiens finally appeared upon the earth.

Your question is leading. I do not accept or agree with the expression "Homo Sapiens finally appeared upon the earth." You will need to rephrase your question if you want an answer from me.

You are, frankly, dishonest. The theory of evolution is very precisely a true scientific theory-- formally similar to Newton's laws of gravity and motion, or Einstein's theory of relativity. Evolutionary theory offers an elegant explanatory mechanism for the complex, multi-faceted data of paleontology and biology.

So you admit that Evolutionary theory is not science, but merely an "explanatory mechanism". So in other words, an elaborate "fish story". Sounds to me like a vain and empty philosophy, not science.

If you read a well-written scientific treatise on the subject, such as Finding Darwin's God by biology professor Kenneth Miller of Brown University, you will also begin to understand why the "Young Earth Creationist" theories of Henry Morris, and the various "Intelligent Design" models published to date FAIL to adequately explain the paleontological data.

You are always recommending I turn away from the writings of the Holy Fathers only to roll around in the muck of the philosophy of this world. Frankly, this is your problem Pravoslavnik. You are not well schooled by the Fathers, but rather choose as your teachers godless scientists.

That fact that dinosaurs and countless animal and plant species perished upon the earth for millions of years prior to the era of the hominids is implicit in my questions and answers.

The "fact"? No Holy Father ever asserted such a thing -- in fact just the opposite -- and yet you brazenly stretch out your neck contrary to their God-given revelation, only to start proclaiming modern-day pseudo-science as "facts". Yes, I am fully aware that you believe that animals perished for millions of years prior to Adam. You still have failed to answer my question, when I asked you if you believe these animals devoured one another.

It is another matter for Orthodox like yourself to make false, dogmatic pronouncements about matters of modern science.

I have criticized science-fiction, not science per se. The Theory of Evolution is not science anyway, but merely a philosophical system which attempts to explain scientific observations apart from the knowledge of God.

This is specifically what St. Augustine advised that Orthodox Christians refrain from doing in his essay on the "Literal Interpretation of Genesis" which I referenced earlier on this same thread.

Not true. The theory of Evolution is not science, so the condemnation of this theory is in no wise applicable according to the wise counsel of holy father Augustine. The theory of Evolution is a pagan and atheistical philosophical system, propounded by those whose aim it is to remove God from the creation narrative. That you keep referring to a philosophical system as "science" demonstrates the feebleness of your thinking.

[Pravoslavnik]

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    How do you define a "scientific theory?"  Is it not precisely a theory offering an explanatory mechanism for the empirical data of science?  Hence, Newton's theory of gravity explained the data of physics and astronomy related to gravitational force.  Darwin's evolutionary theory offers an elegant explanatory mechanism for the data of paleontology and biology--the sequential appearance of increasingly complex forms of life in earth history during the past few billion years.  If your belief that the theory of evolution is a heresy is based upon your claim that evolutionary theory is not a scientific theory, we certainly have grounds to question your judgment about a great many things.

      The truths of science are entirely consistent with the revealed truths of Orthodoxy Christianity.   Certainly, there are mysteries in our cosmos which can only be properly understood through the revelations of scripture and the Church Fathers, and there are many matters pertaining to science which are not definitively addressed by the Church Fathers in any infallible, canonical manner.  Modern atheistic scientists, and Fundamentalist misinterpretations of Divine revelation have caused some people in our modern world--perhaps a majority-- to believe that scripture is contradicted by science, including evolutionary theory.  This is a false belief-- a false paradigmatic dichotomy of atheism and Fundamentalism.

[Archimandrit Nilos]

Yes, this Metropolitan Kallistos Ware is a great heresiarch, always an unrepented Anglican (=Protestant), a typical man of the fallen "World Orthodoxy", a graceless parasynagoguer and seducer of many ignorant people.

Please remember to give clergy their proper title, even if we are not in communion with them.

[Matthew]

Yes, but he is a gifted speaker, and very fun to listen to. I enjoyed very much attending his speeches when he was in my city about 12 or 13 years ago. What a shame that such ability should be employed for such demonic work!

[Archimandrit Nilos]

I agree totally with your opinion and judgement.

[Matthew]

Have you seen him speak also? What were your impressions of the man at the time?