Which jurisdiction are you?

[Pensees]

Please refrain from passing judgements on people you know little to nothing about!

In January 1986, four former members of Holy Transfiguration Monastery came forward with allegations of sexual misconduct against the monastery's superior, Fr Panteleimon. In response to these allegations, the synod of bishops of the ROCOR set up a commission to investigate HTM; the commission consisted of Archbishop Anthony (Sinkevich) of Los Angeles and Bishop Alypy (Gamanovich) of Chicago and Detroit.

The commission presented its findings to the next meeting of the Synod, held in Mansonville, Canada. Six accusers presented testimony to the Synod. Fr Ephraim, Dean of the New England Deanery, spoke in defense of Fr Panteleimon. Fr Panteleimon was questioned, denied the allegations, but agreed to be relieved of his duties as superior. On May 16/29, 1986, the Synod suspended Panteleimon and appointed Fr Isaac as temporary administrator. In a subsequent meeting of the Synod, on November 12/25, 1986, the Synod suspended both Panteleimon and Isaac, and ordered a commission to investigate allegations against Isaac. Fr Justin was appointed as administrator.

In December 1986, despite the decisions of the Synod, the Holy Transfiguration Monastery elected Isaac as its superior. Then, on December 12, 1986, the monastery notified Metropolitan Vitaly (Ustinov) of New York that it was leaving ROCOR because of modernism and ecumenism.
http://orthodoxwiki.org/HOCNA

Please advise your church to re-unite with ROCOR. It's not like ROCOR was that bad in the first place.

Peace.

[Pensees]

I could be wrong, but wasn't there a miracle that occured and settled the council?

What settled the council was the Byzantine emperor Marcian's decision to support the dyophysite Christology.

Peace.

[GOCTheophan]

What would be an immature and cheap shot would be for me to say that Ecumemical councils do not express the Mind of the Church and that I know better than the saints who confessed that you are indeed a heretic unto the shedding of their blood.

If the Council of Ephesus expressed the Mind of the Church in accepting the Miaphysite Christology of St. Cyril, what need was there for the Council of Chalcedon?

Peace.

Dear Pensees,

Ephesus II was a robber council that was firmly rejected by the Mind of the Church and also I dont accept that St Kryil was a Monophysite but lets get away from all that for a second- You accept Pope Shenuoada II of the Coptic Orthodox Church aswell Orthodox? Have you read his book on the Nature of Christ? In it he firmly states that he confesses that Christ has only ONE will- all the "Oriental Orthodox" I have met confess the same...There you are all definitely Monothelites and fall under the anathemas of the 6 th Ecumenical council. How can you say that we who confess TWO wills in Christ are not heretics? Remove the Icon of "heretic" Blessed Seraphim for the sake of honesty.

Theophan.

[Pensees]

Ephesus II was a robber council that was firmly rejected by the Mind of the Church and also I dont accept that St Kryil was a Monophysite but lets get away from all that for a second

I am aware of the Robber Council of Ephesus, but I'm speaking of the first Council of Ephesus, in which Eastern Orthodox fathers did, in fact, accept the Christology of St. Cyril of the "one incarnate nature of God the Word." To confuse this with Monophysitism is to purposely misunderstand your own history.

In it he firmly states that he confesses that Christ has only ONE will- all the "Oriental Orthodox" I have met confess the same...

Christ's human and divine wills are perfectly united as one, just as Jesus and His father are one.

Remove the Icon of "heretic" Blessed Seraphim for the sake of honesty.

Blessed Seraphim was most definitely not a heretic and I never claimed that he was.

Peace.

[GOCTheophan]

Christ's human and divine wills are perfectly united as one, just as Jesus and His father are one.

Remove the Icon of "heretic" Blessed Seraphim for the sake of honesty.

Blessed Seraphim was most definitely not a heretic and I never claimed that he was.

Peace.

Christ in His Divinity is of One Nature with the Father and so they have only ONE will as they have only One Nature. His human will perfectly follows His Divine will but they are not one as Christ's will is One with His Fathers because they lack the unity of nature which exists in the latter case.

Was Servus of Antioch one of your main "Oriental Orthodox" Fathers wrong in calling us heretics? Blessed Seraphim certainly believed that the Holy Fathers of the Orthodox were right in calling you heretics. You cant have it both ways- choose which you believe is the One True Church.

Theophan.

[Sean]

Please advise your church to re-unite with ROCOR. It's not like ROCOR was that bad in the first place.

Peace.

If you think we would reunite with ROCOR after they've brought their church to the brink of union with the Sergianists, you're very naive. Again, you're only availing yurself of one-sided information published by a very unstable, deposed clergyman, who fancies himself the only bishop in North America. I wonder if you even bothered to read the responses to similar libelous statements I gave in the links to the other threads I provided for you. You asked me twice if I thought you shouldn't attend the ecumenist parishes in your area, and when I finally took the bait, you opportunistically posted more slander of people who have dedicated their lives to serving the Church and combatting heresy.

Read the Christological works of Severus of Antioch, and you will discover that the non-Chalcedonian Christology isn't as simple as the "Miaphysite" argument. It is HERESY.

[joasia]

Wow. If I was a fisherman, I'd have food for life in this barrel. Pensees is the bait and you are the fish. What ever happened to the original question?

Perhaps this developed debate can be taken to another thread. Is there still any interest in why people converted to Orthodoxy?

Joanna