Toll houses

[Bruncvik]

I am undecided. Is there any Biblical evidence for their existence?

Funny article from the Onion Dome:

Tolls to Increase at Post-Mortem Tollbooths
http://www.theoniondome.com/2004/06/11/

[PFC Nektarios]

I am undecided. Is there any Biblical evidence for their existence?

Does there have to be?

In Christ
Nektarios

[fserafim]

Most saints that I have read accept the tollhouses as fact, not literally, as we cannot expect to find meadows of flowers in Heaven, but nevertheless as something to be expected after death.

"The light of grace will illumine our soul when it departs from the body, driving far from us the demons of the aerial tollhouses, covering us at the Last Judgment and in this grace, as in a bridal garment, we shall enter the heavenly bridal chamber of Christ where is eternal and unceasing joy. This is prepared for us by God according to his incomparable mercy."

From St Serafim of Sofia, 1947.

The attack on Fr Seraphim Rose is very personal and is covered in his letters to Fr Alexey Young - published recently as a book and in Pravoslavnaya Rus' as a series in Russian. But I expect this will go on ad nauseam.

Fr Serafim

[Bruncvik]

Fr. Lawrence Whitehurst on tollhouses:

Toll houses are not mentioned, nor supported directly in the Bible, although there are some indirect references to guardians that one must pass to enter heaven. Gnostic literature, and in particular, the Kaballa speak of such, but the vast majority of the Holy Fathers have rejected these outright as heresy, since they seem to fly in the face of the mercy of God, and in particular, the absolute forgiveness of sins that occurs at the time of Confession during the sacrament of Holy Repentance. The idea of these houses was popularized in Russia during the time of Peter the Great when all things Western became fashionable, including some Western Theological ideas such as Purgatory. Many Russian saints, including St. Theophan, became absolutely convinced of their veracity, which goes to show that even a saint may not be infallible when talking about eschatological subjects such as this. Rather than go into a discussion which I am not qualified or well read enough to lead I will, instead, give you a reference for your reading that should help answer your questions much better than I ever could. Please read the following:
http://www.orthodoxpress.org/parish/river_of_fire.htm. Remember, my inquisitive friend, no one puts limits on God's mercy and love, not even Satan and his demons. When God forgives, He forgets. When He "forgets" a thing, it never happened, since God lives in an eternal "now," where past, present and future are all one in His infinite Being. We may see the effects of a sin in this life, even after it is confessed and forgiven, but in Eternity, when God has forgotten a sin, it truly ceases to exist; it never happened. This being the case, what possible effect could demons and toll houses have on Christians even if they did or do exist? Our job, as Christians, I believe, is not to cringe in fear of the passage of our souls at the time of death, but to truly change ourselves into the Likeness of God through His Love, to pray without ceasing for ourselves and our loved ones, both the living and the dead, trusting to God's mercy to deliver us to where He wants us, namely with Him. Remember too, that hell was not created for Man, but for Satan and his angels (demons). Remember that Christ on Great Holy Saturday, the Lord's Sabbath, despoiled hell forevermore, freeing those who were held captive there. I do not believe in the toll houses or their demons; I see them as contrary to the Infinite and All-Holy mercy of God, unnecessary, and an invention of those who cannot accept the simple words of the Master when He said, "If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them." John 20:23

[尼古拉前执事]

Evidence for the Tradition of the Toll Houses found in the Universally Received Tradition of the Church

Patristic Evidence:

St. Mark of Ephesus:

"But if souls have departed this life in faith and love, while nevertheless carrying away with themselves certain faults, whether small ones over which they have not repented at all, or great ones for which – even thought they have repented over them – they did not undertake to show fruits of repentance: such souls, we believe, must be cleansed from this kind of sin, but not by means of some purgatorial fire or a definite punishment in some place (for this, as we have said, has not been handed down to us). But some must be cleansed in they very departure from the body, thanks only to fear, as St. Gregory the Dialogist literally shows; while others must be cleansed after the departure from the body, either while remaining in the same earthly place, before they come to worship God and are honored with the lot of the blessed, or – if their sins were more serious and bind them, for a longer duration – they are kept in hell [i.e., Hades], but not in order to remain forever in fire and torment, but as it were in prison and confinement under guard" (First Homily: Refutation of the Latin Chapters concerning Purgatorial Fire, by St. Mark of Ephesus. Qtd. In "The Soul After Death, p 208f).

St. Boniface (8th Century Anglo-Saxon) records the following account of a monk who died and came back to tell of his experiences:

"Angels of such pure splendor bore him up as he came forth from the body that he could not bear to gaze upon them… "They carried me up," he said, "high into the air…" He reported further that in the space of time while he was out of the body, a greater multitude of souls left their bodies and gathered to the place where he was than he thought to form the whole race of mankind on earth. He said also that there was a crowd of evil spirits and a glorious choir of higher angels. And he said that the wretched spirits and the holy angels had a violent dispute concerning the souls that had come forth from their bodies, the demons bringing charges against them and aggravating the burden of their sins, the angels lightening the burden and making excuses for them. He heard all his own sins, which he had committed from his youth on and had failed to confess or had forgotten or had not recognized as sins, crying out against him, each in its own voice, and accusing his grievously… Everything he had done in all the days of his life and had neglected to confess and many which he had not known to be sinful, all these were now shouted at him in terrifying words. In the same way the evil spirits, chiming in with the vices, accusing and bearing witness, naming the very times and places, brought proofs of his evil deeds… and so, with his sins all piled up and reckoned out, those ancient enemies declared him guilty and unquestionably subject to their jurisdiction. "On the other hand," he said, "the poor little virtues which I had displayed unworthily and imperfectly spoke out in my defense… And those angelic spirits in their boundless love defended and supported me, while the virtues, greatly magnified as they were, seemed to me far greater and more excellent than could have ever been practiced in my own strength."" (The Letters of Saint Boniface, tr. Ephraim Emerton, Octagon Books (Farrar, Strauss and Giroux) New York, 1973, pp 25-27. Qtd in The Soul After Death, by Fr. Seraphim (Rose).

St. Athanasius the Great, in the Life of St. Anthony the Great:

"For once, when about to eat, having risen up to pray about the ninth hour, he perceived that he was caught up in the spirit, and, wonderful to tell, he stood and saw himself, as it were, from outside himself, and that he was led in the air by certain ones. Next certain bitter and terrible beings stood in the air and wished to hinder him from passing through. But when his conductors opposed them, they demanded whether he was not accountable to them. And when they wished to sum up the account from his birth, Antony's conductors stopped them, saying, 'The Lord hath wiped out the sins from his birth, but from the time he became a monk, and devoted himself to God, it is permitted you to make a reckoning.' Then when they accused him and could not convict him, his way was free and unhindered. And immediately he saw himself, as it were, coming and standing by himself, and again he was Antony as before. Then forgetful of eating, he remained the rest of the day and through the whole of the night groaning and praying. For he was astonished when he saw against what mighty opponents our wrestling is, and by what labours we have to pass through the air. And he remembered that this is what the Apostle said, 'according to the prince of the power of the air [10].' For in it the enemy hath power to fight and to attempt to hinder those who pass through. Wherefore most earnestly he exhorted, 'Take up the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day [11],' that the enemy, 'having no evil thing to say against us, may be ashamed [12].' And we who have learned this, let us be mindful of the Apostle when he says, 'whether in the body I know not, or whether out of the body I know not; God knoweth [13].' But Paul was caught up unto the third heaven, and having heard things unspeakable he came down; while Antony saw that he had come to the air, and contended until he was free. . And he had also this favour granted him. For as he was sitting alone on the mountain, if ever he was in perplexity in his meditations, this was revealed to him by Providence in prayer. And the happy man, as it is written, was taught of God [14]. After this, when he once had a discussion with certain men who had come to him concerning the state of the soul and of what nature its place will be after this life, the following night one from above called him, saying, 'Antony, rise, go out and look.' Having gone out therefore (for he knew whom he ought to obey) looking up, he beheld one standing and reaching to the clouds, tall, hideous, and fearful, and others ascending as though they were winged. And the figure stretched forth his hands, and some of those who were ascending were stayed by him, while others flew above, and having escaped heavenward, were borne aloft free from care. At such, therefore, the giant gnashed his teeth, but rejoiced over those who fell back. And forthwith a voice came to Antony, 'Understandest thou what thou seest?' And his understanding was opened, and he understood that it was the passing of souls, and that the tall being who stood was the enemy who envies the faithful. And those whom he caught and stopped from passing through are accountable to him, while those whom he was unable to hold as they passed upwards had not been subservient to him. So having seen this, and as it were being reminded, he struggled the more daily to advance towards those things which were before. And these visions he was unwilling to tell, but as he spent much time in prayer, and was amazed, when those who were with him pressed him with questions and forced him, he was compelled to speak, as a father who cannot withhold ought from his children. And he thought that as his conscience was clear, the account would be beneficial for them, that they might learn that discipline bore good fruit, and that visions were oftentimes the solace of their labours" (Chapters 65-66).

http://orthodoxinfo.com/death/vita-antony.htm

St Adamnan (Eunan) who recorded the life of St. Columba:

http://www.usu.edu/history/norm/bk3ch7.html

"AT another time while the holy man was tarrying in the Iouan island (Hy, now Iona), one of his monks called Brito, a person given to all good works, being seized with bodily illness, was reduced to the last extremity. When the venerable man went to visit him at the hour of his departure, he stood for a few moments at his bedside, and after giving him his blessing, retired quickly from the house, not wishing to see him die, and the very moment after the holy man left the house the monk closed this present life. Then the eminent man walking in the little court of his monastery, with his eyes upraised to heaven, was for a long time lost in wonder and admiration. But a certain brother named Aidan, the son of Libir, a truly virtuous and religious man, who was the only one of the brethren present at the time, fell upon his knees and asked the saint to tell him the reason of so great astonishment. The saint said to him in reply: "I have this moment seen the holy angels contending in the air against the hostile powers; and I return thanks to Christ, the Judge, because the victorious angels have carried off to the joys of our heavenly country the soul of this stranger, who is the first person that hath died among us in this island. But I beseech thee not to reveal this secret to any one during my life."

St. John Climacus:

In Step 7, section 50 of the Ladder of Divine Ascent, St. John gives the account of a
monastic who was dying, and who had begun to pass from this life to the next, and to experience the accusations of the demons. The account ends with statement:

"And while, thus being called to account he was parted from his body, leaving us in uncertainty as to his judgment, or end, or sentence, or how the trial ended."

Liturgical Evidence

In both the Greek and Slavonic Euchologion, in the canon for the departure of the soul by St. Andrew , we find in Ode 7:

"All holy angels of the Almighty God, have mercy upon me and save me from all the evil toll-houses [telonion poneron]."

For an English translation of this canon, see page 90, vol 3, of "The Book of Needs" published by St. Tikhon Seminary.

Also in the Greek Euchologion, in the same canon, we find in the first Ode:

"Behold a crowd of evil spirits has gathered bearing the record of my sins, and they are shouting aloud and demanding shamelessly my humble soul" (Quoted in the Mystery of Death, p. 391, by Nikolaos P. Vassiliadis).

Also in the Slavonic Euchologion:

"O thou that gavest birth to the Lord Almighty, when I come to die, do thou banish from me the commander of the bitter toll-gatherers and ruler of the earth, that I may glorify thee unto the ages, O holy Theotokos."

From Ode 8, of The Canon of Supplication to our lord Jesus Christ and the Most Holy Theotokos, the Mother of the Lord, at the Parting of the Soul from the body of any Orthodox, page 81, vol 3, Book of Needs, Published by St. Tikhon’s Monastery.

The prayer to the Theotokos at small compline:

".at the time of my departure taking care of my miserable soul, and driving far away from it the dark countenances of the evil demons."

The Octoechos:

"When my soul is about to be forcibly parted from my body's limbs, then stand by my side and scatter the counsels of my bodiless foes and smash the teeth of those who implacably seek to swallow me down, so that I may pass unhindered through the rulers of darkness who wait in the air, O Bride of God." Octoechos, Tone Two, Friday Vespers

http://www.anastasis.org.uk/weekday_vespers1.htm

"Pilot my wretched soul, pure Virgin, and have compassion on it, as it slides under a multitude of offences into the deep of destruction; and at the fearful hour of death snatch me from the accusing demons and from every punishment." Ode 6, Tone 1 Midnight Office for Sunday

http://www.anastasis.org.uk/weekday_vespers1.htm

The prayer of St. Eustratius, which is said in the Midnight Office for Saturdays:

"And now, O Master, let Thy hand shelter me and let Thy mercy descend upon me, for my soul is distracted and pained at its departure from this my wretched and filthy body, lest the evil design of the adversary overtake it and make it stumble into the darkness for the unknown and known sins amassed by me in this life. Be merciful unto me, O Master, and let not my soul see the dark countenances of the evil spirits, but let it be received by Thine Angels bright and shining. Glorify Thy holy name and by Thy might set me before Thy divine judgment seat. When I am being judged, suffer not that the hand of the prince of this world should take hold of me to throw me, a sinner, into the depths of hades, but stand by me and be unto me a savior and mediator…"

From the Pre-Nikonian Slavonic Texts

In the second Canon to the Guardian Angel, found in the "Old Orthodox Prayer book", one finds the following:.

In Ode 5: "Foreseeing all the tortures and torments that await me, and my blindness, distance and the darkness of my passions, thou groanest with pity; thou art mournful and downcast, O my deliverer",

In Ode 6: "Let shame and disgrace cover the dark, foul and fetid faces of the enemy when my poor soul is separated from the body. Let thy most sacred wings then protect my soul, O my guide."

In Ode 7 verse: "O my helper, with thy fiery lance cease not from dispelling the myriads of invisible robbers who attack me round about, seeking to seize and steal my soul."

"As a mind beautiful in goodness, sweet and happy, and bright like the sun, stand before me with smiling face and merry glance, when I shall be taken form the earth, O my guide."

"In thy mercy, loving-kindness and the exceeding copiousness of thy love toward man, O my guardian, protect me under the shelter of thy wings when I depart from the body, that I may not see the hideous faces of the demons."

In Ode 9 verse: "When my spirit is forcibly parted from me, may I see thee, my defender and guardian, calm and radiant, standing at the right of my passionate soul and driving away the bitter demons who seek to seize me."

"My whole life have I spent in great vanity, and my end draweth nigh. I beseech thee, my guardian: be my merciful champion and defender when I pass through the toll houses of the evil world ruler."

[Kollyvas]

Fristly, the issue of the Toll Houses has enough Patristic Backing and Scriptural Commentary behind it as to reflect the Patristic Consensus, qv Pomazansky, Vassilades, +Met. Hierotheos, et al. Noted Theologians & Saints such as the Kollyvades Fathers have affirmed it in our relatively modern times who certainly are more authoritative than Priests in and out of jurisdictions and quacks. When it is called a "theologoumenon," it is done so to avoid the controversies of neo-protestant parties which have been attacking the good order of the Church since bulgakov (not a very firm Orthodox party to be in league with). Our very services and their schedules affirm it as Orthodox teaching. But that would be the subject of another thread. How is one to address someone who is DEPOSED as a Deacon by his parent jurisdiction, who then hops to another jurisdiction to become a "priest" then "archimandrite" who hops to another jurisdiction WITHOUT CANONICAL RELEASE to become a "bishop" and then leaves the Church altogether WITHOUT CANONICAL RELEASE to become an "archbishop" in a body headed by a DEPOSED schismatic, WITH WHOM HE CONCELEBRATES. Canonically, that dog won't hunt. Receiving this man as a "hierarch" is as much an abuse of economy as allowing a man to remain a "priest" when he divorces his wife on her death bed to marry a spiritual daughter of his whom he has convinced to divorce her husband. Then you can couple that with the quack theories this fellow has come up with regarding Orthodox theology, popular television, his suit in the Supreme Court of Canada to "prevent the imminent conquest of that country by the USA." Looney toons. He can be taken to another thread if necessary. Now, when such a character gets involved in a movement with sundry types to try and cripple the Athonite witness in America, yeah it's necessary to contact the OCA Holy Synod (which I respect) to reign its retired staff in. But recognizing him as a "bishop" in any other body but the OCA could be a cause celebre for arguing for MP intercession and oversight in the actions of its daughter, the OCA
R

[Kollyvas]

While in Jordanville I made it a point to read works of the much maligned "Paris School." Without mentioning names, it seems I wasn't the only one who had done so. The Orthodox Teaching of the Toll Houses wasn't a "theologoumenon" until fr. sergius bulgakov (condemned as a heretic by both ROCOR and the MP) attempted to attack it in pre-revolutionary Russia. His arguments it seems were later rehashed by modern partizans of his heretical thought. Even today, when one reads Greek or Russian or Serbian (and I understand Romania) spiritual & theological eschatological literature (even children's catechesis) the Toll Houses are taught as the Orthodox teaching. It is only with those who aspire to the Parisian salons of yore that we find the various renovationist sorties aimed at "enlightening superstition"...The fact that my "colour" makes you discount anything I say is very "colourful" in itself. LOL!
R
Now, being a former member of ROCOR, which I recognize as fully charismatic and legitimate (although I disagree with the maneuvering of contemporary personalities), I have to again disagree with you in sincerity. When is a deposition not a deposition? The fact that the OCA does not accept the deposition that ROCOR enacted against mr. puhalo in and of itself calls his status into question and makes his title of "archbishop" a matter of politics and "colour." LOL!