Being Recieved into Orthodoxy

[PFC Nektarios]

Well, they are not offically declared heretics. So you cant not commune them. I bet even ROCOR would Commune a Greek Orthodox.

In Christ
OrthodoxLearner

[John the Russian]

Away,
Here is a short list. I am sure there are more.
ROCOR
ROAC
ROCE
HOCNA
GOC under Kallinikos of Lamia
You may want to start with these. There is a wide selection of languages here to suit most peoples needs.

[Chrysostomos]

To: John the Russian

So, one cannot be considered a "Traditionalist" unless one
attends one of the below Churches?

"Here is a short list. I am sure there are more.
ROCOR
ROAC
ROCE
HOCNA
GOC under Kallinikos of Lamia
You may want to start with these. There is a wide selection of languages here to suit most peoples needs."

Also, please define, in your view, a "Traditionalist Orthodox
Christian" Manner of life, piety, rule of prayer, Orthodox Ethos...
or does that even matter. Maybe it doesn't, as long as one attends
the above Churches? Awaiting your reply.

With humble bow,

Rd. Chrysostomos

[Justin Kissel]

Chrysostomos,

So long as we are asking people for clarifications, what do you think was meant by: "Here is a short list. I am sure there are more"?

It would seem to me that the sentence meant that one could be a traditionalist even if they didn't attend a church on the admittedly "short list". You seem to have gotten something different from the post, however.

[Chrysostomos]

Paradosis,

Chrysostomos,

So long as we are asking people for clarifications, what do you think was meant by: "Here is a short list. I am sure there are more"?

It would seem to me that the sentence meant that one could be a traditionalist even if they didn't attend a church on the admittedly "short list". You seem to have gotten something different from the post, however.

Yes, I did get something different from the post...that is why I asked
for clarification. It seemed as if, those who attended that list, were
truly considered "traditionalist", whereas if one attended an ROC, OCA, or GOC for example, would be considered "modernist or liberal/heretical".

Is one's jurisdiction (unfortunate use of term), the determining factor as to one's being a traditionalist? Thus the request for clarification and definition of what is a "Traditionalist Orthodox Christian".

With humble bow,

Rd. Chrysostomos

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Chrysostomos,

If I may, you asked:

Is one's jurisdiction (unfortunate use of term), the determining factor as to one's being a traditionalist?

This is a very common and reasonable question, one that I struggled with myself.

A Christian cannot exist as an individual, but only as a member of the Body of Christ, the Church. And the Church is there only where the Truth is confessed. Where heresy is confessed, no person can speak of the Church.

I found that in Orthodoxy, you declare your faith by the Bishop you commemorate, and he declares his faith by the Bishops and Synods he commemorates and communes with. Uniate bishops commemorate Uniate Bishops, Monophysites commemorate Monophysite Bishops, Ecumenists commemorate Ecumenist Bishops, and the Orthodox commemorate Orthodox Bishops.

In fact, it is even possible that a the hair and beard of a Uniate priest may be longer and fuller than those of the Orthodox. And, the chant of the Nestorians be a great deal more liturgical and traditional, and the icons more austere than in some Orthodox Churches. You may be striving harder than some Orthodox to live a pious life and perhaps there are Uniates who are striving even more than you.

It is possible for all things to appear Orthodox in the Church; however, the bishop who is commemorated by the priest will reveal to us where we truly are. In a Uniate church, all things appear to be Orthodox. But the priest there commemorates a Uniate bishop, who in turn commemorates the Pope of Rome. Thus all the appearances of Orthodoxy are for nothing.

And ultimatley in "World Orthodoxy", sooner or later, you commorate Bartholomew, and who does he have inscribed in the diptychs - the Pope of Rome*. So why would anyone even need to flee the Uniates since either way he would be declaring the faith of the Pope?

*See "the Struggle Against Ecumenism", p. 318

[away]

Thankyou John the Russian for the list, that was all I wanted to know.

Thankyou OOD for the sobering reminder.