Thomas Deretich and Name-Worshipping

[Niles_The_New]

HOCNA related, but not thread related. What happened to those communities who followed HTM when it was in ROCOR, but stayed with the ROCOR during the split? Was there still a Greek community in the ROCOR, or did they all leave for other local churches?

There weren't many. A notable exception to those that didn't follow HTM during the split was Holy Virgin Protection Cathedral in Astoria under Fr Anthony Gavalas, who went to the Matthewites. I know that Fr George Lardas and his Matushka were connected to HTM, but I am not sure if he was made priest before or after the split.

Thank you Father

[Agios_Irineos]

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[Agios_Irineos]

Don't overstate it when you condemn your mistakes. You are not a heresiarch. You were deceived by heresy, which is a fall of a sort and I rightly call it that, but it is a human error. So long as you accept correction that does not make you a heretic.

Imiaslavie is a complex topic and if HOCNA teaches a heretical version of it, is difficult to say. You come out and call them heretics. That's quite an accusation and I would be careful with throwing that out easily.

Considering the GOC-M severed relations with them and received a "suspended" HOCNA bishop without consent over the precise issue of imyslavie, it probably isn't that complex to know whether HOCNA is teaching heresy.

[Agios_Irineos]

Most importantly, that was what the 1914 decision was for, as many repented of their error and accepted the 1913 decision. The fact that people want to resurrect this heresy and pretend they're defending St Gregory (as though the Russian Church were attacking him, which they were not) is risible.

Most of the leaders of the Imyaslavie movement know what they're doing-- establishing a heretical cult.

An important point. The Russian synodal decision was an invitation for repentance and restoration and many took that opportunity. Those who did not, did so because they would not accept the orthodoxy of the position of the synod. The same must be said today.

[Suaidan]

Define it. What is it?

The belief that the Name of God is God Himself.

[Agios_Irineos]

Define it. What is it?

The belief that the Name of God is God Himself.

And therefore uncreated.

[Barbara]

Wonderful, Bruder Klaus !
Glad to hear about that ! I thought the painting was so distinctive that i just had to ask.
Appreciate the answer.

I think I'll read more about Emperor Otto, as your explanation piqued my interest.

Fr Joseph, or anyone : is/was Fr George Lardas a Greek, then ? I always heard the name but never thought of it. Is he still alive ? In which jurisdiction is he today, if so ?