High Tech Passports

[gphadraig]

Forgive me, but is there a parrot in the house?

One of the signs mentioned above is also used, so I am lead to believe by my son, to be a sign used by the infamous Grey Wolves. These are ultra-nationalists Turks, well known to many an unfortunate Christian.

i to learnt two different but related signing systems for those with disabilities and the first grew organically within the deaf community, and is not as far as I am aware something grafted onto them as cover for something else. Indeed the history of their signing is that the great and the good, and not so good, ignored, scorned or suppressed their signing.

However, hand signals have been used, as have other symbols and words, throughout history as a method of distinguishing 'us' from 'them'. As far as I know the sign language of deaf people is just that, a language between folk who share it in common, and not a cover for something else.

Now my only concern is someone feeds that blooming parrot...........

[Liudmilla]

Orthodox6:
I commend your restraint.

As to everyone else........When will you understand that Artemon is sooo certain of his so called truth that he would not recognize truth if Christ himself appeared and corrected him? Why do you even bother? If he cannot even accept Fr Luke's gentle correction, he certainly won't listen to us. You will not change him, you will not convince him! He's already worked up so much again that he's beginning to rant and rave. His posts are incomprehensible, hard to read and to understand. Just ignore him and he'll eventually go away or at least stop.

Milla

[user_22]

The cards I do not see as too much of a problem...I would never take injected or implanted microchips however!

and right on cue as if to prove the thesis of creeping acceptance:

Provided that they are relatively safe to use (e.g., guarded against ID theft), I very much look forward to the day that such chips come into widespread use; I think they will be amazingly helpful.

But immediately thereafter the insane persona "Artemon" appears and the possibility of a rational discussion goes out the window. Who now would dare suggest to Justin that his identity theft concern is only relevant if you have already bought into the first deceptions of this Creeping Acceptance. One would sound now like Artemon!

"This will be the last publicly said about the issue."

[Liudmilla]

OrThodox6
I understand your situation completely, often When I am siezed by the need to fire off a responce, I deny myself the opportunity , wiat a day and then respond. Sometimes it workd and sometimes it doesn't. Oh well!.

As to the whole technology around the chips: I suppose there is a good to everything or rather most things, but unfortunately there is also a greater danger to consider......misuse, enforcement, control, etc. Personally I am modern enough to use the current technology to my own needs, but also realistic enough to understand how much of myself I am exposing. I am also old fashioned enough to not like the exposure. For me to implant one of those things, need would have to outweigh the reason not to, as in the case of Justin's wife. Until then I think I'll be against it.

Milla

[Ebor]

Liudmilla,

I know that Mr./Ms. Artemon is very much caught in a net of Self regarding what are facts and truth. I posted regarding Sign Language and cultural meanings not so much for him/her but for any possible lurkers (I certainly lurked here for some time before joining) who might not know about the subject. It might be possible that someone could read Artemon's screed on a "satanic sign" and then if they saw, for example, a deaf person using that sign make assumptions or accusations to that person. Also, I wanted to show the truth on Sign Languages and their history, which is in the links. Many people use different Sign Languages and they're not part of any evil plots. But there are many people who don't know about them. I use Signed English combined with speech with one of my children who has some delays speaking, and some people at our church have asked that I explain some of the signs so they can understand him. I know that some of my hand-waving probably looks odd at times.

I will not address Artemon personally, but offer countering posts, with documentation, to anything that I have some knowledge of, should they come up in the future.

Respectfully,

Ebor

[gphadraig]

Ebor, I feel you hit several nails on the head. My concern stems from similar worries having worked for some time for an equal and understanding deal for people with impairments.

Liudmilla, I can well understand. I take my wheelchair apart and put it back together again, and repeat this several times. It makes me struggle and sweat but sometimes induces a little, if shortlived, calm. Your essential premise is one I, sadly, agree with though......

[Ebor]

Ebor, I feel you hit several nails on the head. My concern stems from similar worries having worked for some time for an equal and understanding deal for people with impairments.
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gphaidraig,

Thank you for your support in this. In my 48 years I have seen many occasions of misunderstandings and assumptions that aren't true cause trouble for innocent people. So I didin't think the scenario I wrote of above to be beyond the limits of what might happen. In fact, I could imagine it happening quite easily, unfortunately. Errors that can affect others should be countered, I think.

Ebor

edited to remove a misplaced emoticon