In Defense of evolution, Papism and the EP by Papoutsis1

[Papoutsis1]

Mockery? Mockery you say? I banter back and forth making all of you froth at the mouth is not mockery, nor is it for my own amusement. Its in many ways to make a point which many of you have already made.

Are we one? ARE WE?! No! Who here has broken canon law? Who here puts the fathers of the Church above THE CHURCH! who has given you the right to denegrade the Ecumenical Patriarch and call him names, insult him lash out at him?

Who here was given the right to isolate themselves on Mt. Athos and separaet themselves from the Ecumenical Patriarch when the monastery IS HIS?

Do you know what the Turks have taken from him? Do you know that they take from him everyday his dignity? You want to know what he does everyday while you and I are safe here in America?
He runs from one Turkish officials office to another's trying to explain himself on trumped up charges that he and his council have somewho violated Turkey's secular laws?

Did you know that if the Patriarch cannot even call himself Ecumenical? I'm sure many on this board would like that because ecumenical is such a dirty word. What right do you have to separate from him? To break Canon Law? to withhold your prayers to OUR PATRIARCH, and then based on pure heresay and conjecture say that he is a freemason when he is not.

What about Pope Benedict? He is reaching out to the East-for whatever reason, and there are plenty, he is reaching out. Are we to constantly turn our backs on our brother, and yes the Catholics are OUR BROTHERS! Who else do we have?

Dear people you sit here and spew venom and talk about LENT, but you don't know the first meaning of it. For our faith to cure us it must first cure others.

Every piece of hatred you have, that I bring out is because you know that I am right. That you have abandoned OUR PATRIARCH, YOU HAVE ABANDONED CANON LAW, and not one, I repreat, not one Father of our Church would have tolderated breaking with Constandinople over these spurious charges that have been debuncked a long time ago.

Get you hatred out becuase only then will you be empty enough for Chirst and his Love. So hate me all you want, get it all out and then I hope you'll feel better.

God Bless

Peter

[joasia]

Peter,

We don't hate you. We worry about you. And as I told Helen. We should pray for you.

But, this post of yours certainly sounds quite venimous. Are you sure that you don't hate us?

[Evfimy]

Pap,

the GOA is an extremlely schismatic sect that is governed by Freemasons and heretics. They have membership in the WCC. According to the Holy Fathers, they are anathema.

I noticed you posted a article. Are you sure you want to go that rout? I have page after page proving everything I am saying. Believe me this can get very nasty if you so desire.

[Helen]

His ignorance is his burden on his soul. Don't make it yours. Just pray for him and let God decide what He will do with him.

The Great Lent is approaching

Ah! You're quite right. My fingers got the better of me. Thankyou for reminding me.

[Jean-Serge]

Peter, Batholomeos prays with heretics, which is forbidden by the Canons... So he is him who does not abide by the canons... What do you think about his prayers with heretics? Do you approve this?

[Papoutsis1]

Evfimy
Bring it on!

Peter

[Papoutsis1]

My God, they are everywhere. I fully understand now. If a Bishop of Patriarch does not have a 7th century mind and outlook and even dares speak with Catholics he must be a Freemason and ecumenist. Check it out:

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Romanian Orthodox Christians get new leader
14/09/2007

The Romanian Orthodox Church has elected a "modern" sixth patriarch. The vote, which took place amid a swirl of rumours and accusations, followed a 40-day mourning period for Patriarch Teoctist, who died in July.

By Gelu Trandafir for Southeast European Times in Bucharest - 14/09/07

Metropolitan Daniel was elected as the sixth patriarch of the Romanian Orthodox Church on Wednesday (September 12th), with 95 votes of the total 161 from the Church Electoral College. Daniel will succeed Teoctist, who died in July. The elections were held after the stipulated 40 days of mourning.

Daniel, who has been the metropolitan of Moldova and Bucovina in northeast Romania for the past 17 years, is considered by many as a "moderniser". The election was considered to be mainly between Daniel and the Metropolitan of Cluj, Bartholomew, who received 65 votes. Bartholomew, 86, is viewed as "the traditionalist scholar".

The weeks leading up to the vote, however, were marked by rumours and gossip. The Moldavian Metropolitan was accused by some radical monastic circles of being a freemason supporting "ecumenism, the greatest heresy of our times" and even harbouring a plan "to sell the Orthodoxy to Catholics".

Renewed allegations of collaboration with former Communists and the Securitate plagued the main candidates. The Council for the Study of Securitate Archives has yet to release its findings about links some important clergymen had with the secret police.

In his public first statement after the election, Daniel pledged "to continue the tradition". "A patriarch cannot change the direction established by the Synode," he said. "The patriarch does not work alone, but with the Synode, with monks and nuns, with the faithful, with the Romanian society in general." Daniel -- who will be installed as patriarch on September 30th -- called for "the advice, support and co-operation from all those who love the church and the country". He also touched on the "plentiful heritage" of Patriarch Teoctist, who passed away at age 92 on July 30th.

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Wow, I am amazed!

God Bless

Peter

As metropolitan, Daniel, 56, earned a reputation for his business-like style. His church has become one of the wealthiest of the metropolitan churches, although the Moldavian region is one of the poorest of Romania. Daniel funded a large number publications, printing houses and social charities, stressing the need for social involvement by the church. He also created one of the largest private radio networks in Romania -- Christian Radio Trinitas -- which competes with commercial broadcasters.

Daniel has secured good relations with Catholics and Protestants. The new Romanian Patriarch is a close friend of Vienna's Archibishop Cardinal Christoph Schonborn, a friendship that was forged in the 1980s, when Daniel was a lecturer at the Ecumenical Institute in Bossey, Switzerland.

Last week, he hosted the 3rd European Ecumenical Assembly, a meeting attended by the Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I of Constantinople, Metropolitan Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church, Cardinal Kasper and European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, among others.

In a speech to the group, Daniel pledged to bring "a more intense Christian testimony" in Europe, since Romania, with the world's largest Orthodox Church after Russia, has become a member of the EU. His views were echoed by Kirill, who emphasised the need "to give back a soul to Europe" and by Cardinal Kasper who asked the European Christians "to eventually wake up".

At the meeting, Barroso discussed "a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural and multi-religious Europe". The EU resisted calls to mention God and the Christian roots of European civilisation in its Constitutional Treaty and the current revised Reform Treaty.

Bartholomew, the Cluj metropolitan, notably did not attend the Assembly.