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papal pronouncements without canonical or patristic foundation and HERETICAL. Inane and empty and UNWORTHY of the Feast.
R, a faithful Orthodox son of Russia AND MONARCHIST who would have enlisted to fight hitler in the red army...
Show us the Fathers and Canons which back up these empty HETERODOX pronouncements. Show us the Councils which call for these extremist measures. Lacking them, this rhetoric is nothing more than trolling. hate IS NOT Orthodoxy.
The consenus of the Church and true Russian as opposed to Soviet patriots is that Hitler was the lesser of two evils. The facts of history bare this out. We honour as martyrs those who choose death rather than fight for the gains of October. The red army's rampage over eastern and central europe was incredibly destructive for Orthodoxy. It is also the reason for the fact that the most Russophobic people I know are new calender Romanians. True Orthodox patriots whether Russian, Romanian, etc enlisted with Hitler to fight Stalin.
Theophan.
Being of Russian descent and well aware of the history of Russia in the soviet period, I would challenge ANY Romanian collaborationist to justify the 20+ million losses suffered by the soviet union, 20+ million losses the Romanians were partially responsible for. Before ANYONE speaks of rampage, let them first speak of the holocaust the hitlerites perpetrated against the Russian peoples. Of the two Russian groups fighting stalin, ROA & Krasnov's Cossacks, NEITHER was pro-hitler and NEITHER fought on the Eastern Front, for hitler wasn't interested in a liberated Russia, aber LEBENSRAUM FUR DEN DEUTSCHEN VOLK. It is clear that the vast majority of the Russian people supported victory over hitler and the liberation of their nation, neither accepting nor in any way endorsing the stalinist regime, WHICH WON THE WAR WITH RUSSIAN ORTHODOXY. Today, Poles, Bulgarians, Czechs/Slovaks (who jubilantly greeted the liberation brought by the red army with the cry "chervona granitsa!"), etc. realize the extent of the "rampage" had the Red Army NOT arrived...a swastika, obliteration of "inferior peoples" and German estates and slavery. For anyone to imply that "patriotism" meant collaboration with the hitler regime or that that was the "exclusive expression of true Russian participation in the Second World War" is to speak such an abject and starkly brutal and hateful russophobia as to be beneath contempt and fringe! The fact that one would presume to lecture Russians on their history and what is "really Russian" is such hubris as to be simply worthy of being laughed to scorn...
Rus' Svjataja, Khrani Vjeru Pravoslavnuju!
Rostislav, wishing I could have marched through the Brandenburg Gate and trampled the swastika with the RED ARMY!
Read +Metropolitan Cyprian?! I suggest you put forward what you think he's saying which justifies your hate and heretic hunting, which he in NO WAY espouses...Your ecclesiology IS NOT his, and it isn't Orthodox--it's sectarian. Give us some quotes and put them in the context of the Fathers and the Canons.
Captain Codreanu- Present! What you are saying shows YOUR hatred, and not the hatred of someone jabbering away over the net. The demonic hatred of National Bholesvikism and its lies that crunched half of Europe under its bloody jackbook aided by Britian and America. I am no fan of Hitlerism either, but lets get things into perspective. Read more on the subject.
It isnt hate. Heretics and peristant schismatics not to mention agents of the AntiChrist dont have the Grace of the sacraments...That is Orthodoxy. Any organization claiming to be a Church that cant deal with heretics in its ranks cant be a functioning part of the living Body of Christ. The eyes of the Body of the Church are its Bishops. If they are in the darkness of heresy or merely paid bureaucrats of the collective AntiChrist then how great that darkness must be even if seemingly Orthodox people remain attached to it for some time.
