What would you do if ROCOR and the MP united tomorrow?

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What would you do if ROCOR joined the MP?

Celebrate

19
41%

Join a moderate eclesiology group not in communion w/ the MP (i.e. TOC)

8
17%

Join an extreme eclesiology group (i.e. GOC, ROAC, etc.)

12
26%

Be upset, but go along with my bishops

7
15%
 
Total votes: 46

Justin Kissel

Post by Justin Kissel »

Ok, interesting :) Maybe I shall have to explore this more later...

Justin Kissel

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I was wondering if those who believe that the ecclesiology of the MP and ROCOR differ greatly could help me understand where exactly they differ?

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Did ROCOR ever release a statement on the Antiochians? If not, then I think we should refrain from judgement on them.

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Post by Julianna »

Paradosis wrote:

I was wondering if those who believe that the ecclesiology of the MP and ROCOR differ greatly could help me understand where exactly they differ?

that's what I'm saying! 8)

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logos wrote:

Did ROCOR ever release a statement on the Antiochians? If not, then I think we should refrain from judgement on them.

If ROCOR has not released a statement on the error of jumping off a bridge, should you refrain from judging that as wrong to do? :wink:

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A few points...

  • I see no significant difference between the ROCOR and MP ecclesiology as it exists today, apart from the problems of Sergianism and embracing Ecumenism. If these can be cleared up, I see no other problems.

  • People can disagree about what group/patriarch is legit and still both be Orthodox. We can stay out of communion with the Antiochians, and still establish communion with the MP even if they are in communion with Antioch. The only time this is not true is when one of the groups are heretical.

  • Heresy doesn't have to be formally condemned at a synod to think it heresy. Then again, acting rashly can get you in hell!!!!!! I think we take theology (including discussions about grace and heresy) too lightly today, and don't realise that we are playing with fire. We don't call to our memory that we will have to give an account for every word, and that if we falsely judge our brother, we could very well suffer for it, but if we refrain from judging because we aren't sure, we will be forgiven for it. When it comes to morality, I think it's safer to stick to the conservative route. When it comes to condemnations, I think it's safer (possibly eternally safer) to remain agnostic until you are absolutely sure one way or the other. Some will here bring up saints that have done differently. To put it bluntly, we are not anywhere near those saints, or able to discern in the same way that they could.

  • This discussion is not unrelated to the community discussion. We need to decide where the "line" is; we can't have the community spliting up every other decade over some small ecclesiological matter. Sometimes seeking to be the "most right" leaves you in the worst place.

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Post by 尼古拉前执事 »

The only problem with that is that we wouldn't be in communion with the MP, we would be the MP. The Mp is in communion with Antioch.

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