What to do about Islamic Expansion in US?

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[quote="George Australia]

There's that word again:"immigration". I wonder what your Spiritual Father in the OCA (to which you say you belong) says about your views? Surely if you are "burned up" over this, then you have discussed it with your Spiritual Father?

I don't know what he would say, but I really doubt any spiritual advisor worth the name who would actually defend unlawful activity which is what a large part of US immigration involves: ILLEGAL immigration. Also I would like to know how anyone justifies free-loading by immigrants who's first priority isn't self-sufficiency through work, but tapping as many taxpayer funded programs as possible.

Also I would like to know why you think an American citizen has no right to reject the idea that his country must being taken over by unwanted immigrants.

Maybe as a non-American you don't know. The present US immigration situation is an outrage created by democrats who want more dependant people who will give them votes in exchange for handouts and Republicans who pander to greedy businessmen who want the cheap immigrant labor. In the middle are the majority of normal people who's wishes are routinely ignored. And they call this democracy.

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How can one even say "unwanted" people?

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“Where are the Orthodox?

The Orthodox is a loser church. The young do not know the faith, the churches are dying the people are dying. and the orthodox are clueless to what is going on around here. The Muslims are winning. They are victorious. They know how to win. Christians are just losers.”
What is your criteria for "winning"? All the Gods who have not created the heaven and the earth will perish and those that worship them. It is all just dust and ashes; little more than a deamon's feaver dream. Do not be too concerned about it. We know how it ends.

“I have eaten at many Protestant and Catholic soup kitchens. I have never eaten at an Orthodox soup kitchen.” I can not speak for anyone else or their situation but no one has ever gone away hungry from our table unless they wanted to.

“Protestants know their faith and can defend it. “ No they don’t and no they can’t. Even Satan can quote scripture. (Mathew 4:5-6). They reject Holy Tradition but even the Apostle Paul says “ So then, brethren, be standing firm and holding fast the Traditions which ye were taught, whether by our word or epistle. “ (2 Thessalonians 3:15) Even the whole basis for Protestant theology can be discounted by scripture. “But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel besides what gospel we preached to you, let such a one be anathema.” (Galatians 1: 8 ) Or my personal favorite, “First of all you must understand this, that no part of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation.” (2 Peter1:20) “Orthodox youth don't know a darn thing.” Even this sinful wretch can disprove that much nonsense… I know of a lot of damning things and have done most if not all of them at one time or another. I could go on but what would be the point?

“Protestants and Catholics show up on time for their services. I have been to many Protestant services and hardly anyone shows up late. Go to a Greek Orthodox service and half the people show up after the Gospel reading and a third show up after the eucharist. That never happens in a Catholic church.” If they ever did show up late they would lose their seat… It is true most of the time, but if you were attentive the ones that show up late were probably not there at vigil either. We euphemistically call them “candle holders”. If you want to find the Orthodox in an Orthodox Church find the one who holds the keys. They come early, unlock and open the doors, tend the lamps, stay for the services, clean up after everyone else has left, and lock up for the night. Talk to them, because they know …

This whole “race “ thing is really stupid. Racism is a pigment of your imagination; an arbitrary distinction in hue. When we stop making a distinction there will stop being one. We are all Human-beings the one creature most beloved of God. Indeed a living Icon of a Living God.

America is all immigrants. Everyone here is an immigrant. First it was the Vikings, then the Spanish, then the Dutch, Sweeds, English, Germans, Irish, Chinese, Slavs, you name it they came. Now it is the Hispanics. Why? For the same reason all the others came; because they want a better life. Every group that came in any real numbers, were hated by the ones before them. That is the way it has always been. “In the case of America, our immigrant problem is mostly Mexican. Now I have nothing against the people of Mexico. Its an interesting country and many Mexicans are nice people. But if wanted to live in Mexico, I'd move to Mexico!” Replace Mexican and Mexico with Irish and Ireland and it was said about my grandfathers too. It is foolish, nearsighted and racist but it is not new…no, not new…

Shall we continue? Cus…When it comes to gettin’ stupid there ain’t nobody stupider than me.

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George wrote:

To say to people "Go away, you are not welcome" would be inexcusable.

Dear in Christ George,
I agree, and it is especially inexcusable for Orthodox Christians. Our Lord Jesus Christ has already told us what He will ask us on that Last Day: "Did you feed the hungry? Did you clothe the naked? Did you welcome the strangers? (Gk: "Xeni" i.e. "foriegners") Did you visit the sick and inprisoned?" He will not ask: "Did you vote Democrat or Republican?".
Here in Australia, we have an ungodly law - the mandatory detention of asylum seekers (including 82 children to date) requiring asylum seekers to be locked up in detention centres (in most cases, for years). I know that my Spiritual Father says that this is one of those civil laws which defies God's laws- and interestingly, Australia has been in severe drought since the mandatory detention of asylum seekers law was enacted.
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George (Australia)

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George wrote:

How can one even say "unwanted" people?

George, do you have locks on your doors? I assume you do. Why not just keep your house unlocked and allow anybody who has a mind to come into your home, raid your refigerator, take whatever they want, and then demand that from now on you are going to pay for his lifestyle. And, BTW, he's moving his family in tomorrow. How would you like that? Would you consider that person to be "unwanted?" How long would it be before you told this guy to hit the road? And if he refused, would you call the cops or would you submit to the parasite's demands? Please tell me what you would do.

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brendan wrote:

into your home, raid your refigerator, take whatever they want, and then demand that from now on you are going to pay for his lifestyle. And, BTW, he's moving his family in tomorrow. How would you like that?

Yes brendan, the big foreign boogey man is coming to raid your fridge, rape your women, steal your money etc....
You see, this is the sort of paranoid delusion one falls into when they are unchurched so much that they can't even recognise basic Liturgical phrases like "Come, recieve the Light".
You're not Orthodox at all, are you brendan?

"As long as it depends on Monothelitism, then Miaphysitism is nothing but a variant of Monophysitism."

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Mykael wrote:

“Where are the Orthodox?

America is all immigrants. Everyone here is an immigrant. First it was the Vikings, then the Spanish, then the Dutch, Sweeds, English, Germans, Irish, Chinese, Slavs, you name it they came. Now it is the Hispanics.



That's a meaningless argument. If one goes back far enough, everybody in the world is an immigrant from somewhere. The Indians were also immigrants to America. None of that negates the idea of nations and you can't have a nation without borders.

America is a nation of immigrants AND native born persons. Most of my ancestors came here before the United States existed. And America, just like any other country, has the right to refuse admitting anyone it doesn't want, especially people who refuse to work and are basically parasites who think they ought to be supported by everyone else. I'm tired of these bums coming here and freeloading. I'm sick of being forced to subsidize their shiftless lifestyles. And I don't think I'm violating any tenet of Christianity when I object to being forced to support perfectly able-bodied adult persons who simply REFUSE to get a job and be self-sufficient.

Didn't St. Paul say those who won't work, don't eat?

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