Harming Creation II: Exploiting, Killing, Consuming Animal

George · Post by **George** » Thu 2 September 2004 6:18 pm

I have always understood that shellfish, octopi etc are OK as they are invertebrates. I don't go out of my way to eat them though as don't like them, nor meat for that matter.

_cizinec_ · Post by **_cizinec_** » Tue 14 September 2004 5:23 pm

I think more disturbing than the consumption of animal flesh is the consumption of perfectly good malted barley (and adjuncts) in substandard beers (I will leave them unnamed).

LatinTrad · Post by **LatinTrad** » Tue 21 September 2004 11:52 am

Hmmmm.

I wonder where Michael111 is to defend his original post?

I agree with Cizinec about the substandard beers. Having moved to St. Louis recently, the land of Anheuser-Busch (big Planned Parenthood supporters and makers of horrible mass-produced beer), I can definitely sympathize with what you're saying.

I love steak though. A good steak and a good beer. Maybe Michael111 can come to St. Louis and have steak with me after he converts to the true Church.

LatinTrad

"Quomodo sedet sola civitas plena populo? Facta est quasi vidua domina gentium."

"Inimicus homo hoc fecit."

Justin Kissel · Post by **Justin Kissel** » Tue 21 September 2004 12:06 pm

Regarding fasting, shellfish, etc., Fr. Mark Gilstrap posted some interesting information in this post.

brendan · Post by **brendan** » Wed 22 September 2004 6:09 am

LatinTrad wrote:
I love steak though. A good steak and a good beer. Maybe Michael111 can come to St. Louis and have steak with me after he converts to the true Church.

I was permanently cured of any desire to become a vegetarian years ago when I attended a meeting where a bunch of vegetarians also attended. I was struck by the fact that all the men looked pathetically weak - little pencil arms, sunken-in chests, and an overall pallid appearance. None of the women seemed to have much vitality either.

I am aware that there have been some vegetarian athletes here and there, but with all the cases I've read about they have to pay a lot of attention to their diets to insure enough of the right kinds of protein to build and maintain strength. I would guess they almost have to use protein supplements.

In any case, I see no essential reason - spiritual or otherwise - to even consider vegetarianism as a diet.

BTW, God didn't give us the two fangs in our upper jaw for munching on leaves and grains.

Natasha · Post by **Natasha** » Wed 22 September 2004 10:26 am

Nothing like a good ol stereotype, huh Brendan?

I wish Peter was still around, I think he would have some very valuable information to add to this discussion. Vegetarianism is a beautiful concept-there would be enough food to feed everyone, everywhere, and friendly to the planet-God's creation. Some might say that those are effeminate notions, but I would say that those are Christian ideals.

Schultz · Post by **Schultz** » Wed 22 September 2004 11:47 am

I don't see Brendan making any stereotypical remarks. He said that all the men he saw there looked pathetically weak. He didn't say all male vegetarians were.

It's been my experience that when it comes to "Pro-Vegetarian/Vegan conventions", most of the people there actually do look malnutritioned, and I've been to enough of them. However, most "private" vegetarian/vegan types that I know are quite healthy looking. They also don't push their lifestyle choices on me or others.