A new "walling off" has begun?

OrthodoxyOrDeath · Post by **OrthodoxyOrDeath** » Wed 13 July 2005 1:45 pm

I'm not saying that there are no good Orthodox Bishops and Priests.

I think you are confusing "good" with "confession of faith".

As I have said before, there are many true confessing bishops who are not spotless; In fact, nobody is ever "worthy" of anything. But being sinless has nothing to do with having a true confession of the Orthodox faith.

SouthernOrthodox · Post by **SouthernOrthodox** » Wed 13 July 2005 2:26 pm

My comment was a light hearted attempt at a serious issue. I saw from a very young age families broken apart, (be it by choice) over the introduction of English in the service. My belief is we in ROCOR are no more right, no more Russian and dare say no more Orthodox than any Russian Orthodox Jurisdiction. I believe and support the move to right the wrongs. Being from an Old-Rite Parish and now belonging to a New-Rite Parish some of the customs that were considered sacrilege before seem to make sense now. Am I more Orthodox because I belong to ROCOR of course not. The bottom line is we should all try to be more god-fearing Christian Men and Women in the world. Isn't that what "True Orthodoxy" strives for.

Ekaterina · Post by **Ekaterina** » Wed 13 July 2005 4:03 pm

Ekaterina wrote:
I'm not saying that there are no good Orthodox Bishops and Priests.

OOD wrote:
I think you are confusing "good" with "confession of faith".

Semantics....oy!

So substitute the word " good" with "true confessing" Orthodox Bishops and priests. Same thing, same Idea.....just semantics.

Katya

Priest Siluan · Post by **Priest Siluan** » Wed 13 July 2005 4:21 pm

SouthernOrthodox wrote:
My comment was a light hearted attempt at a serious issue. I saw from a very young age families broken apart, (be it by choice) over the introduction of English in the service. My belief is we in ROCOR are no more right, no more Russian and dare say no more Orthodox than any Russian Orthodox Jurisdiction. I believe and support the move to right the wrongs. Being from an Old-Rite Parish and now belonging to a New-Rite Parish some of the customs that were considered sacrilege before seem to make sense now. Am I more Orthodox because I belong to ROCOR of course not. The bottom line is we should all try to be more god-fearing Christian Men and Women in the world. Isn't that what "True Orthodoxy" strives for.

There something that is not well that I come listening of you... you confuse what is to be Russian with what is to be an orthodox. I could assure that equation Russian=Orthodox many times is inexact.

Priest Siluan · Post by **Priest Siluan** » Wed 13 July 2005 4:25 pm

Ekaterina wrote:
Ekaterina wrote:
I'm not saying that there are no good Orthodox Bishops and Priests.

OOD wrote:
I think you are confusing "good" with "confession of faith".

Semantics....oy!

So substitute the word " good" with "true confessing" Orthodox Bishops and priests. Same thing, same Idea.....just semantics.

Katya

I prefer the statement of Fr Nikolai... it is "semantically" very exact

Ekaterina · Post by **Ekaterina** » Wed 13 July 2005 4:34 pm

Fr Siluan wrote:

I prefer the statement of Fr Nikolai... it is "semantically" very exact

I looked back to see if I could find the statement you are refering to and cannot find it. Which "statement" are you refering to?

Katya

Priest Siluan · Post by **Priest Siluan** » Wed 13 July 2005 4:39 pm

Katya:

Apologize, I referred to this post of OOD, I thought that it was Fr Nikolai

OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:
I'm not saying that there are no good Orthodox Bishops and Priests.

I think you are confusing "good" with "confession of faith".

As I have said before, there are many true confessing bishops who are not spotless; In fact, nobody is ever "worthy" of anything. But being sinless has nothing to do with having a true confession of the Orthodox faith.