Why Traditionalist Orthodox MUST split from World Orthodoxy!

OrthodoxyOrDeath · Post by **OrthodoxyOrDeath** » Sat 17 April 2004 5:20 pm

Although I would have said it differently, simply because I have a different position, Anastasios has said it. There is no in between.

And it is perhaps not something you will figure out in a week or a month. But until your conscience is at ease, and not falsley so, don't rest or get comfortable.

Now I beleive, after lengthy dicussions on the subject, I have never read Anastasios' position which explains even some of the many points which have been raised against the Antiochians. To rest ones salvation on such an important opinion, I would think there should be something substantial Anastasios has to say on the subject...Anastasios?

PFC Nektarios · Post by **PFC Nektarios** » Sat 17 April 2004 6:38 pm

I dont have a troubled conscience being a "traditioanlist Orthodox" and a Antichoian at the same time. How can you not consider the Monophysites heretics, other then one of them is your friend? They dont believe that Christ was human, cant get any blantly heretical.

In Christ
Nektarios

Anastasios · Post by **Anastasios** » Sat 17 April 2004 6:45 pm

OrthodoxLearner wrote:
I dont have a troubled conscience being a "traditioanlist Orthodox" and a Antichoian at the same time. How can you not consider the Monophysites heretics, other then one of them is your friend? They dont believe that Christ was human, cant get any blantly heretical.

In Christ
Nektarios

That's absurd. Of course they believe Christ was human. Eutyches was the one who said that Christ was not human and he was anathematized by the Non-Chalcedonians, too.

anastasios

Anastasios · Post by **Anastasios** » Sat 17 April 2004 6:47 pm

OrthodoxyOrDeath wrote:
Although I would have said it differently, simply because I have a different position, Anastasios has said it. There is no in between.

And it is perhaps not something you will figure out in a week or a month. But until your conscience is at ease, and not falsley so, don't rest or get comfortable.

Now I beleive, after lengthy dicussions on the subject, I have never read Anastasios' position which explains even some of the many points which have been raised against the Antiochians. To rest ones salvation on such an important opinion, I would think there should be something substantial Anastasios has to say on the subject...Anastasios?

Do you mean you want me to go into a positive exposition of why I do not believe Non-Chalcedonians to be heretics? In other words, you mean you actually want me to stick around and fight this one, instead of disappearing when the going gets tough, as has happened in every other thread on Non-Chalcedonians on this forum?

anastasios

Mor Ephrem · Post by **Mor Ephrem** » Sun 18 April 2004 2:32 pm

OrthodoxLearner wrote:
How can you not consider the Monophysites heretics, other then one of them is your friend? They dont believe that Christ was human, cant get any blantly heretical.

Every time I attend the Divine Liturgy at my parish, Nektarios, I sing this hymn:

I will exalt You, O my Lord, the King, the Only-begotten Son and the Word of the heavenly Father, Who, by Your nature, are immortal. You accepted, by Your grace, and came down for the life and salvation of mankind, and did become incarnate of the holy, glorious and pure Virgin, Mother of God, Mary. Who without change did become a man and was crucified for us. O Christ our God, Who by Your death trampled our death and destroyed it. You Who are One of the Holy Trinity, and are worshiped and glorified in unity with Your Father and Your Holy Spirit, have compassion on us all.

Doubtless you are familiar with this hymn, perhaps in a different English translation. We have been singing this hymn not for ten, twenty, or thirty years, but for centuries. Do you think people can sing this hymn generation after generation and believe that Christ wasn't human? Then again, what do I know? I'm not Orthodox. How could I really know anything about what we believe?

The fact that you don't have a troubled conscience being an Antiochian and a "traditionalist Orthodox" only means, with all due respect, that you are not thinking about the facts. For all the disagreements I have with people on this board regarding this topic, at least many of those I've spoken to are consistent. Your current situation is inconsistent.

OrthodoxyOrDeath · Post by **OrthodoxyOrDeath** » Sun 18 April 2004 3:40 pm

Anastaios,

Do you mean you want me to go into a positive exposition of why I do not believe Non-Chalcedonians to be heretics? In other words, you mean you actually want me to stick around and fight this one, instead of disappearing when the going gets tough, as has happened in every other thread on Non-Chalcedonians on this forum?

Exactly.

OrthodoxyOrDeath · Post by **OrthodoxyOrDeath** » Sun 18 April 2004 3:45 pm

Naktarios wrote:

How can you not consider the Monophysites heretics, other then one of them is your friend? They dont believe that Christ was human, cant get any blantly heretical.

Nektarios,

Most Monophysites throughout history including those cast out by the Holy Fathers, never specifically said this, only the more blantant ones.

There are several variations of Monophysitism - the ones today are more of the Monothelite brand.