Jerusalem Patriarchate Leaves America

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Icxypion wrote:

Recently, an Orthodox person who attends the MP churches in Russia told me if you read the entire Psalter 20 times, and on all Father, Son and Holy Spirit mention all those who are dead from your family, then God forgives all their sins. They read this in one of their books in Russia and so now they are going to do this.

I have never heard of this kind of promise from God among Orthodox believers. However, I have heard of dozens of this kind of contractual promise from the "Mary" the Roman Catholics worship who in her visions and revelations makes all kinds of promises like that if you do so many hail marys and rosaries and so many services attended for 9 consecutive months and masses etc etc then "thus and thus" will be done for you.

It doesnt sound Orthodox to me. but then I am new to Orthodoxy and quite limited in my knowledge. Have any of you come across such promises from God? Or is it more Catholic poison and infection taking over the Pseudo Orthodox world who have joined themselves to the Roman Catholic Church?

Symeon, there is an Orthodox tradition to read the whole Psalter before a person is buried. Perhaps your friend is muddled in his understanding about how many times. But, there is no guarantee about all loved ones being forgiven of sins. The only promise that Jesus Christ offers is that repentance is the path to salvation. I worry about your influences of all these non-Orthodox sources because you are not able to focus on what is the traditional Orthodox teachings.

Are you still wavering about your Orthodox convictions? How long have you been Orthodox?

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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Thank you for your concern, Joanna. I am not wavering at all in my convictions of True Orthodoxy. I am only saying that there are many things I do not know, there are gaps in my knowledge that only a forum with other more learned TOC members like this and life in the Church will eventually fill in. Until then I am trying to make sense of things that are not always easy for me to know the correct answer to. That is why I try to maintain an open and teachable attitude, so that I can correct myself. With God's help I hope to continue to steadily improve.

I don't think my friend misunderstood about the reading of the psalter. The idea was very specifically that reading it 20 times would guarantee to flush the sins of the departed soul away, releasing them to heaven. That kind of magic incantation thing doesn't look Orthodox to me.

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Yeah, what is ridiculous is all these parishes are New Calendar now. Organs are next. Pathetic.

"The spouse of Christ cannot be adulterous, she is uncorrupted and pure, She knows one home; she guards with chaste modesty the sanctity of one couch. She keeps us for God. She appoints the sons whom she has born for the Kingdom. Whoever is separated from the Church and is joined to an adulteress is separated from the promises of the Church; nor can he who forsakes the Church of Christ attain to the rewards of Christ."

--St. Cyprian of Carthage, On The Unity of the Church (Chapter 6, ANF,V:423),

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I like your beautiful signature quotation from Saint Cyprian, revnitel.

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I stumbled upon it I think in a book by von Balthasar. It touched me and told me that this is our calling as Orthodox Christians.

"The spouse of Christ cannot be adulterous, she is uncorrupted and pure, She knows one home; she guards with chaste modesty the sanctity of one couch. She keeps us for God. She appoints the sons whom she has born for the Kingdom. Whoever is separated from the Church and is joined to an adulteress is separated from the promises of the Church; nor can he who forsakes the Church of Christ attain to the rewards of Christ."

--St. Cyprian of Carthage, On The Unity of the Church (Chapter 6, ANF,V:423),

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