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George Australia wrote:And there is not much point in observing the Old Calendar if your Church does not accept Four of the Seven Oecumenical Councils, is there Pensees?......
Just as there is not much point in accepting the Council of Ephesus, while also accepting a later council which contradicted everything Ephesus stood for?
Peace.
Pensees wrote:George Australia wrote:And there is not much point in observing the Old Calendar if your Church does not accept Four of the Seven Oecumenical Councils, is there Pensees?......
Just as there is not much point in accepting the Council of Ephesus, while also accepting a later council which contradicted everything Ephesus stood for?
Peace.
Roy if you believe that the council of Chalcedon contradicts in essence the Council of Ephesus than why that Icon of Blessed Seraphim? Surely by that reckoning he can only be a heretic and doubly so seeing as he considered the anti-Chalcedonians to be heretics?
Christ is God incarnate- the Second Person of the Uncreated Trinity who took a human nature from the Most Pure Theotokos for our sakes.
One Person- which is Divine- in two natures Divine and Human.
Personhood is not the same as nature.
What about this do you monophysites not grasp? What in this do you see as heresy?
Theophan.
GOCTheophan wrote:Roy if you believe ......
"Roy" is not Pensees name.
"Roy Moore" is a political figure in the US who was a judge removed from office: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore.
Pensees is a member of a schism of the non-chalcedon Indian or Malankara Church which considers itself "autonomous" and posts on three Orthodox forums that I know of under two names: "Pensees" and "Matthew777".
"As long as it depends on Monothelitism, then Miaphysitism is nothing but a variant of Monophysitism."
GOCTheophan wrote:Roy if you believe that the council of Chalcedon contradicts in essence the Council of Ephesus than why that Icon of Blessed Seraphim?
My name is not Roy and my point was that it's just as easy to accuse Chalcedonians of heresy as non-Chalcedonians. Ultimately, it's an immature cheap shot that has little to do with whether one's Christology is actually Orthodox.
GOCTheophan wrote:Surely by that reckoning he can only be a heretic and doubly so seeing as he considered the anti-Chalcedonians to be heretics?
It would be incorrect to say that either miaphysitism or dyophysitism are heretical given that they are both, properly interpreted, legitimately Orthodox Christologies.
GOCTheophan wrote:What about this do you monophysites not grasp? What in this do you see as heresy?
It's not a matter of whether or not the Chalcedonian Confession is heretical as much as it is whether the Council itself was justified in excommunicating the Oriental Orthodox.
If we really were Monophysite heretics, then so was St. Cyril of Alexandria and everyone in Ephesus who accepted his Christology, including Eastern Orthodox fathers.
Peace.
Pensees wrote:Again, are you saying that no Orthodox church exists in my town, and therefore I shouldn't attend the liturgy at all?
If you want to become Orthodox (which is the Eastern Church), then you shouldn't join one of the ecumenist jurisdicitions represented in Spokane. If you want my opinion, I think that once a month or whenever possible, you should drive 4 hours to Seattle to St. Nektarios Cathedral. I realize how expensive gas is these days, but we have people in our HOCNA parishes that commute several hours to church every Sunday. These aren't wealthy people, either. They made tremendous sacrifices to leave World Orthodoxy for the True Church, and since they have their priorities straight, they're willing to make more sacrifices to attend Liturgy.
A few years ago, after my divorce, I fell in love with a girl from Germany and we were engaged for a time. Back in August of this year, we dated again for a couple months, which was complicated, because she lived two and a half hours away. It was further complicated by the fact that I am a full time student, and at the time was in between jobs, but I made time and resources available, even when there were none, because she was important to me. Sometimes we saw eachother up to two and three times a week. I borrowed money and cashed in CD's and DVD's for gas money. Once, when I left her house I was on empty, and drove almost 40-50 miles that way to my grandparent's house, saying the Jesus Prayer the entire time, so I didn't end up stranded on the interstate. If we have that kind of devotion for Christ, we can make things happen even when they don't seem possible.
Sean wrote:If you want to become Orthodox (which is the Eastern Church)
I am already Orthodox, and have been for four years. The canonical jurisdictions of Eastern Orthodoxy are recognizing the common Orthodoxy shared with Oriental Orthodox Christians, if they haven't done so already.
http://www.orthodoxunity.org/statements.html
Again, if we are guilty of the Monophysite heresy, then so was St. Cyril and every Eastern Orthodox father who accepted his Christology in Ephesus.
Sean wrote:If you want my opinion, I think that once a month or whenever possible, you should drive 4 hours to Seattle to St. Nektarios Cathedral.
I am not leaving the Indian Orthodox Church in favor of a zealously "Orthodox" cult that condones sexual predators. I'd rather join the OCA or the (canonical) Greek Orthodox Church than do that. I hope you someday realize that there is nothing lacking in "World Orthodoxy" that HOCNA could provide.
Peace.
