Why Traditionalist Orthodox MUST split from World Orthodoxy!

[PFC Nektarios]

Yes I am aware of the one monastery that does not remember the EP.

In Christ
Nektarios

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Very few are those who can accept the sacrifice of being considered stupid. People are often more afraid of characterizations which diminish their honor and reputation than any consequence which might follow as a result. That is why most people prefer the easy way of compromises despite what they know is right.

This is true from our earliest years as a child when we succumb to some demonic activity or idea so as to not be reviled by our “friends”. And you would think this would stop as we reach adulthood but nothing of the sort happens; we continue our own imprisonment by willfully succumbing to more sophisticated pressures.

If think hard about it, you will see that clearly in today’s world it is inevitable that every true Christian will be characterized as a fool, marginalized, and seemingly be made to be the “laughing stock”. Even as Christ said, “if they have hated Me, they shall hate you too”.

So consider that the measure of righteousness has nothing at all to do with agreement with the masses, whether it be a much feared “Patriarchate” or some other form papal-centric idea or popular and fashionable measure - but only that you agree with the Holy Fathers and the Church which has always taught “all righteousness”.

Now which Holy Father, “Patriarchate”, Synod, or Canon ever said communion with any form of heretic distortion is the Orthodox way? To the contrary you will find where you really stand - even if that means you are the last Christian alive.

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[romiosini]

Lord Have Mercy!

[尼古拉前执事]

Taking part and participateing in the worthless heretic "mysteries" I would say is complete apostasy and heretical.

Then, Nektarios, by your own words you have declared the Antiochian orthodox church in complete apostasy and heretical. If they are heretical then your definition would also call heretics anyone that partakes (concelebrates or communes) of their "mysteries" would also be a heretic.

I believe the official Antiochian patriarchate's letter showing that they are in "full communion" with the Monophysites is here:
http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/vi ... .php?t=867

[PFC Nektarios]

I showed this article to my priest he researching it for me.
If he cant find answer then I will write to the Antiochian Orthodox Patriarchate myself.

In Christ
Nektarios

[OrthodoxyOrDeath]

Romiosini,

You said:

Regarding Esphigmenou, the Ecumenical Patriarchate and the other 19 Monasteries is planning soon to have certain dialogue and resolve their issues, in a matter of time.

Given the history of the non-commemorating zealot fathers of Esphigmenou of the past 80 years, at no time have they commemorated the Patriarch and there is absolutley nothing which would indicate that is about to change - on the contrary, we see they have struggled even more these past few years.

You said:

And yes, there are Monasteries that don't commemorate Bartholomew but they don't seperate from their other brothers in Athos who commemorate Bartholomew.

Yes, Esphigmenou has separated and has not engaged in any communion or commemoration of Bartholomew AND anyone who does so. They commemorate the Archibishop of the GOC of Greece and are in communion with us.

Not that any of this means anything really. Just an FYI

[Anastasios]

Nektarios,

When you don't think Non-Chalcedonians are heretics (like I don't) or that ecumenism is a heresy (although I think it is misguided and in sinful, and some of the participants are heretics), you don't have a logical problem belonging to the Antiochian Orthodox.

But when you state that you do believe Non-Chalecedonians are heretics, that ecumenism is a heresy, that heterodox sacraments are worthless, and that everyone should be baptised to become Orthodox, yet you are with the Antiochians, you have a really big logical problem.

Seeing that everyone should try to be consistent, you should either:

a) accept the Antiochian point of view, which you can ascertain by speaking with your bishop at length, or
b) join a resisiting Orthodox Church.

I don't know what's best for you personally, but having such an inconsistent view is only going to cause you a lot of trouble.

anastasios