Cast YOUR Vote: Should Conspiracy be Banned from E-Cafe?

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Re: Cast YOUR Vote: Should Conspiracy be Banned from E-Cafe?

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silverbeam wrote:

It is possible to research 'conspiracy theories' (how I detest that term) and conduct independent investigations of crimes dispassionately. Your argument is similar to that used in world orthodoxy to discourage the faithful from looking into the calendar issue and other things. 'Concentrate on your spiritual life,' 'it's just politics,' etc.

Discussion can proceed rationally and politely if people who are unable or unwilling to put the time and effort into the research, simply stay out of it and leave it to those who have experience with the difficulties it presents.

Concentrating on our spiritual life and struggles is what the saints teach. And you are not being rational or polite. Now, you are accusing me. I am not WORLD ORTHODOX. But, YOU are out of line.

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Please forgive me but I don't see how silverbeam is "out of line" in his comments there. It seems to me that he is simply saying that it's all too easy for people to use the "Concentrate on your spiritual life" card when they don't like what you may be looking into whether it is profitable or not.

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I went to bed and woke up to the above. Is this not PROOF of exactly what I and Joanna said? The demons want us to bite and devour each other, to get angry, accusatory towards each other. And over what? The precise and correct definition of the Dogmas? NO. but over: "Was the Boston Bombing a completely staged and faked hollywood psy-op event?" Give me a break people! Wake up. This is destroying our unity and spiritual sobriety. Debating the calendar or ecumenist issue is indeed going to have some political issues involved with it (as there can be no clear cut starts here ends here boundary with that kind of issue that effects the life of the Church so pervasively as the Calendar and ecumenist involvement or confessions); but those two issues that the World Orthodox try to silence discussion on are directly related to the dogma of the Church's unity and ecclesiology, and both the Papal Gregorian calendar's paschalion AND MENAION were condemned (anathematised) in no less than 3 True Orthodox Councils or sobors. And the New Calendarists are using the anathematised Menaion. So you cannot, Sliverbeam, equate squashing useless debates about the secret plans of the illuminati or the NWO or the zionist mossad (or whatever pipe dream someone has cooked up on their conspiracy blog) with trying to silence the TOC from voicing the truth about the destructive nature of the Papal Calendar or involvement in the WCC.

Let's close the door and shut the devil out in the darkness OUTSIDE the True Orthodox Church and not invite him in by this Trojan horse of an issue which enflames passions and drives wedges between us, and causes us to distrust each other as either dupes and unwitting puppets or useful idiots of the NWO, or worse, of being in league with them. Let's be a True Orthodox Spiritual Forum.

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Antonios wrote:

Please forgive me but I don't see how silverbeam is "out of line" in his comments there. It seems to me that he is simply saying that it's all too easy for people to use the "Concentrate on your spiritual life" card when they don't like what you may be looking into whether it is profitable or not.

-Antonios

Yes, I hear the point you want to make here, Tony, but the problem is that far too many of us are NOT "Concentrating on our Spiritual life" at the point in the year when, like no other time, we ought to be focussed on exclusively Spiritual Orthodox medicine for our souls. If we were all walking deeply with the Holy Spirit, perhaps I would be of an entirely different mind, but as Joanna and I have said, we are neglecting the Greater things of the Faith for these beggarly crumbs from the trash bins of the world press. "The good is often the enemy of The Best," and I seriously doubt we can call all this conjecture about illuminati nonsense, "good" in any sense at all.

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BTW, as to the concern that by blocking out any discussion on the conspiracy subject we might be stopping people from getting prayerful support or help for a spiritual struggle on this issue, forgive me, but last I checked, that is why we have priests, parishes, and monasteries which are our essential and prime source of spiritual help with struggles. This forum should not be seen (quite presumptuously) as the "only way" these guys are going to get the help they need. Is their parish far away? They have a telephone or email don't they? Otherwise how do they get on this forum? We are just laymen blogging here. We are not qualified spiritual guides of souls. Let's know our place and what this forum is really best suited for. It is an abuse to say, We have to have extended discussions on the ongoing and neverending conspiracy or terrorist bombings and illuminate plots against our blessed political and democratic "freedom" because no one else is either as available or as supportive and savvy as We at E-Cafe are to help them! Don't you all see how dangerously warped our thinking is becoming. Besides, God is able to make us stand in the evil day, as the Apostle Says. If we are walking with God and spending all our time with him and (as many elders and staretsi did, even if we were to avoid newspapers altogether) then I believe that is our best and most likely defence protecting us or those for whom we pray diligently from being in harm's way by any kind of threat (terrorist or natural). To scrutinise the dates and numerology of events and seek patterns in them to predict the location and date of the next attack is to trust in the arm of flesh rather than the Strong Arm of the Lord of Hosts. Where is our Trust and our Faith when we cling to discussing or scrutinising such issues rather than devoting all our free time to PRAYER about the fears that trouble us? Is it in God the Holy Trinity? I seriously doubt it.

Okay. That is if for me. I am not going to even visit E-Cafe until Bright Week is over. So, since I won't be here until after the Feasts of Feasts (Pascha Week) has fully come and gone, here in advance is my greeting to all on the Forum:

Christ is Risen!

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Truly He is Risen Icxypion !

I think the best thing is for people to ignore what they aren't interested in and focus on other forums of E-Cafe -

I always maintain that NO newspaper should be read at ANY time.
Cutting THAT out, plus TV watching, fulfills all the need to avoid waste of precious hours ;
to get a capsule summary here, at a nice trusted site, is obviously a benefit.
Rather than wading through day after day [totally contrived = invented ] media reports trying to entice us into diverting our energies to
obey THEM and what they are trying to FORCE us to focus on !

Why not have Truth available here, either Misc or Controversial Issues areas?

I think what Fr Anastasios said makes sense.

Really, there is NOTHING at all of value in what the media tries to push us to pay attention to, plus it is downright evil.
Why do we care about some gross homosexual who has a tv show and what disgusting thing that person said or did ? We want to SHUN any mention of this,
not even let our eyes rest on such a headline.

So the key is to keep our eyes OFF of the "news" and glean out whatever we need for our own ability to discern truth from lies.
THAT right there is the advantage of taking a look at the so-called conspiracy theories. It's sharpening our minds and vision, so we can
detect a lie BEFORE we are DECEIVED by it !

The Devil attacks in every area of modern life so why say "yes" to the Devil by obeying the "orders" of "the world" to keep up on "current events".
Many people feel they have to be 'in the know' or others will laugh at them.
No, just examine the premise underneath : why does one NEED to go to a party or some social event where the recent problem at Boston will be
discussed ? Better to stay away entirely !

These are the important adjustments that many laymen and laywomen in various stages of learning the Church Way have to make.

Discussing truthful angles of these events will not likely be done at some general social occasion. One will have to listen to all the usual media-
brainwashing ideas being tossed about. THAT is harmful ! Not the quiet mention here on E-Cafe of what people better qualified than we to judge
what is the real story behind the hype.

Don't want you to feel disturbed, Icxypion -- but it's true that Rocor USED that "just mind your own business" argument to subdue any members who
dared question the MP takeover ! Prominent Rocor priests constantly said that, and inexperienced parishioners submitted without INDEPENDENT QUESTIONING.
This by itself is a good example of WHY one needs to have CORRECT information about even political / world events.

Hope you can see this angle as you pray over Holy Week and Bright Week, Icxypion et al.

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Icxypion wrote:

I went to bed and woke up to the above. Is this not PROOF of exactly what I and Joanna said? The demons want us to bite and devour each other, to get angry, accusatory towards each other. And over what? The precise and correct definition of the Dogmas? NO. but over: "Was the Boston Bombing a completely staged and faked hollywood psy-op event?" Give me a break people! Wake up. This is destroying our unity and spiritual sobriety. Debating the calendar or ecumenist issue is indeed going to have some political issues involved with it (as there can be no clear cut starts here ends here boundary with that kind of issue that effects the life of the Church so pervasively as the Calendar and ecumenist involvement or confessions); but those two issues that the World Orthodox try to silence discussion on are directly related to the dogma of the Church's unity and ecclesiology, and both the Papal Gregorian calendar's paschalion AND MENAION were condemned (anathematised) in no less than 3 True Orthodox Councils or sobors. And the New Calendarists are using the anathematised Menaion. So you cannot, Sliverbeam, equate squashing useless debates about the secret plans of the illuminati or the NWO or the zionist mossad (or whatever pipe dream someone has cooked up on their conspiracy blog) with trying to silence the TOC from voicing the truth about the destructive nature of the Papal Calendar or involvement in the WCC.

Let's close the door and shut the devil out in the darkness OUTSIDE the True Orthodox Church and not invite him in by this Trojan horse of an issue which enflames passions and drives wedges between us, and causes us to distrust each other as either dupes and unwitting puppets or useful idiots of the NWO, or worse, of being in league with them. Let's be a True Orthodox Spiritual Forum.

Well said, Symeon. You have succeeded in demonstrating how spiritually unprofitable such discussions are. I vote YES.

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