THE RUSSIAN IS THE SERB’S FRIEND FOREVER?

[Priest Siluan]

Dear Jonathan

No Comparison between Bp Akakije and "Bishop" Artemije.

Bp. Akakije is a true confessor of the True Orthodoxy, whereas Artemije is (or "was" for many time) a "Bishop" of a Communist organization so called "Serbian Patriarchate" which is not different to the MP.

[Tryphon]

Dear Jonathan

No Comparison between Bp Akakije and "Bishop" Artemije.

Bp. Akakije is a true confessor of the True Orthodoxy, whereas Artemije is (or "was" for many time) a "Bishop" of a Communist organization so called "Serbian Patriarchate" which is not different to the MP.

Batushka Siluan,

You sure do tickle me silly with your comparison. It would be a disservice and my definite banning if I even begin to state anything, so I'll leave it as a "no-comment" okay. I am still awaiting for Your evidence of "crypto-Ecumenism" against Bp Artemije.
I also have a great option for You. Since now You and fr Akakios are both in official communion with each other, when You have time It would be great to establish a mission in Kosovo and Methohije, then I am sure Your comparison would be altered completely. Being a True Christian there is really a life and death struggle,but I'm sure Your familiar with that already.
I have never heard or read that the Serbian Patriarchate is a communist organization. I'm quite shocked...what happens to all the ROCOR Clerics Who were ordained,while ROCOR served and always reconized the Serbian Patriarchate??? Does it affect the ordinations??? Maybe even Yours? I never heard Bishop Greogory ( Grabbe ) ever refer to the Serbian Patriarchate as a Communist Organization, or anyone in Historic ROCOR for that matter. The most We heard was that the regime,communism,was exerting extreme pressure upon some Hierarchs and the Patriarch in general.
You have heard of the Free Serbian Church,which was formed Abroad,and which did not maintain any communion with the Serbian Patriarchate. What is interesting is that the Free serbian Church petitioned ROCOR a few times during Saint Philarets
presidency to be reconized by ROCOR,and they never were. I belive the free Serbian Church later entered into communion with the GOC who were under the Presidency of ArchBishop Axentios at the time. In the early 90's there was a reconciliation between the SP and Free Church. Which now brings us to the present time. There are now many Parishes and Monasteries which were under the Free Church in the 90's,expanding from Austrailia to America/Canada and Europe which are going to go under ArchBishop Artemije upon their request since they will not be obedient to the anti-canonical actions being perpetuated by certain hierarchs within the SP. This is many,many souls; plus there are some who had left recently ( either to the SIR,Met Agathangel,and RTOC ) Who are going to go under Bp Artemije. Once this occurs,the next move will be more Bishops and Clerics from the Schismatic SP who will be with Bp Artemije. If the Master Blesses this will be a huge world-wide witness to True anti ecumenist Orthodoxy. There is great hope and enthusiasm.

[Ђура Јт]

No Comparison between Bp Akakije and "Bishop" Artemije.

Of course there's no comparison between bp Akakije and bp Artemije. Trifun bp Artemije doesn't recognise True Orthodox and THAT is his main problem, he said that GOX is a sect and doesn't say that for MP, Greek new calendarist and so on. It is also hard to be Catholic in, let's say, Iran or Iraq so your argument about being monk in Kosovo is jut not hard enough. But if you think that GOX is true church you should say this to bp Artemije and see what he'll say...

[Priest Siluan]

First. Bishop Artemije recognizes "World Orthodoxy", "World Orthodoxy" is ecumenist, modernist, sergianist at al. So, his ecclesiology is "Kyprianite" and therefore "Crypto-Ecumenist"

Second. The "Serbian Patriarchate", it is very clear for me, it is a new "sergianist" organization created after the WW 2 by Soviet, so this new organization recognized the MP. This is truly "source of all evils" inside the SP.

[jgress]

Dear Jonathan

No Comparison between Bp Akakije and "Bishop" Artemije.

Bp. Akakije is a true confessor of the True Orthodoxy, whereas Artemije is (or "was" for many time) a "Bishop" of a Communist organization so called "Serbian Patriarchate" which is not different to the MP.

Batushka Siluan,

You sure do tickle me silly with your comparison. It would be a disservice and my definite banning if I even begin to state anything, so I'll leave it as a "no-comment" okay. I am still awaiting for Your evidence of "crypto-Ecumenism" against Bp Artemije.
I also have a great option for You. Since now You and fr Akakios are both in official communion with each other, when You have time It would be great to establish a mission in Kosovo and Methohije, then I am sure Your comparison would be altered completely. Being a True Christian there is really a life and death struggle,but I'm sure Your familiar with that already.
I have never heard or read that the Serbian Patriarchate is a communist organization. I'm quite shocked...what happens to all the ROCOR Clerics Who were ordained,while ROCOR served and always reconized the Serbian Patriarchate??? Does it affect the ordinations??? Maybe even Yours? I never heard Bishop Greogory ( Grabbe ) ever refer to the Serbian Patriarchate as a Communist Organization, or anyone in Historic ROCOR for that matter. The most We heard was that the regime,communism,was exerting extreme pressure upon some Hierarchs and the Patriarch in general.
You have heard of the Free Serbian Church,which was formed Abroad,and which did not maintain any communion with the Serbian Patriarchate. What is interesting is that the Free serbian Church petitioned ROCOR a few times during Saint Philarets
presidency to be reconized by ROCOR,and they never were. I belive the free Serbian Church later entered into communion with the GOC who were under the Presidency of ArchBishop Axentios at the time. In the early 90's there was a reconciliation between the SP and Free Church. Which now brings us to the present time. There are now many Parishes and Monasteries which were under the Free Church in the 90's,expanding from Austrailia to America/Canada and Europe which are going to go under ArchBishop Artemije upon their request since they will not be obedient to the anti-canonical actions being perpetuated by certain hierarchs within the SP. This is many,many souls; plus there are some who had left recently ( either to the SIR,Met Agathangel,and RTOC ) Who are going to go under Bp Artemije. Once this occurs,the next move will be more Bishops and Clerics from the Schismatic SP who will be with Bp Artemije. If the Master Blesses this will be a huge world-wide witness to True anti ecumenist Orthodoxy. There is great hope and enthusiasm.

It's true that there was never an event in the SP equivalent to the Declaration of Sergius of 1927, when various bishops officially recognized the atheist authorities, falling under the anathema against Communism and Communist collaborators that the Russian Church declared in 1918. The fall of the Serbian Church therefore cannot be so exactly dated, but I remember at least Vladimir Moss making the case that it occurred in 1965, when Patriarch German was uncanonically imposed on the Church by the authorities (I think there may have been no opposing candidates or some such irregularity), and then he took the SP into the World Council of Churches, which was already a notoriously heretical organization (although this was technically before the 1983 anathema against ecumenism).

But your insistence that Bishop Artemije is a True Orthodox bishop simply is not true. His situation is rather similar to the situation of the Jerusalem Patriarchate, which for many years opposed ecumenism and kept out of the WCC, but which remained in communion with World Orthodoxy, just as Bp Artemije has done. It was never possible to recognize Jerusalem as True Orthodox for this reason, that they were only half-hearted in their rejection of ecumenism.

[Tryphon]

It's true that there was never an event in the SP equivalent to the Declaration of Sergius of 1927, when various bishops officially recognized the atheist authorities, falling under the anathema against Communism and Communist collaborators that the Russian Church declared in 1918. The fall of the Serbian Church therefore cannot be so exactly dated, but I remember at least Vladimir Moss making the case that it occurred in 1965, when Patriarch German was uncanonically imposed on the Church by the authorities (I think there may have been no opposing candidates or some such irregularity), and then he took the SP into the World Council of Churches, which was already a notoriously heretical organization (although this was technically before the 1983 anathema against ecumenism).

But your insistence that Bishop Artemije is a True Orthodox bishop simply is not true. His situation is rather similar to the situation of the Jerusalem Patriarchate, which for many years opposed ecumenism and kept out of the WCC, but which remained in communion with World Orthodoxy, just as Bp Artemije has done. It was never possible to recognize Jerusalem as True Orthodox for this reason, that they were only half-hearted in their rejection of ecumenism.[/quote]

Jgress,

Officially the SP never entered in the WCC-Demons council. By this I mean that there was never an official Synodal vote,they entered thru the back door unofficially. ArchBishop Artemije has led the fight in Serbia against Ecumenism/and Wcc-demons council since He was consecrated a Bishop in 1991. Thru His efforts the Serbian Patriarchate made a declaration that at the official Pan-Orthodox council they will present their case for all Orthodox to unilaterally remove themselves from the wcc-demons council. ( These documents can be found on a web-site run by a Brother called Patrick Barnes, I belive).

Your comparison with Patriarch Ireneos of Jerusalem is pretty close; the Patriarch never also con celebrated with any heretics, and He would never go to any receptions or the like sponsored by the RCC in Jerusalem when invited, by stating that they are Heretics and He does not deem it right to eat and drink with them. Both were confessors to their flocks in war torn political melting pots and they passed thru unscathed.
As for mr. VM from Britain I would take whatever He writes and says with a grain of salt. Not to charecter assassinate anyone but Who has done more harm for TOC unity for English speaking belivers than this fellow. Again where does ROCOR then fall into all this???
Almost everyone with the exception of the Hellenic-Byzantium Matthewite Church derives their orders from ROCOR.
At this moment in time neither ArchBishop Artemije nor Patriarch Ireneos are with anyone affiliated with ecumenism or demons council,that is a fact. The Patriarch I belive is in communion with the SIR as far as I think I know.
The best bet is to speak to Your Bishops about this situation; they can best explain the history of our Church and Her persecution the last 2000 years. Ask them what they think and feel about these 2 brave Men,who have fought for their respective see's against bandits and thieves. They are the Church and they will not surrender Her to her enemies nor flee and allow her flock to be mutilated with the poison of heresy.

[Tryphon]

No Comparison between Bp Akakije and "Bishop" Artemije.

Of course there's no comparison between bp Akakije and bp Artemije. Trifun bp Artemije doesn't recognise True Orthodox and THAT is his main problem, he said that GOX is a sect and doesn't say that for MP, Greek new calendarist and so on. It is also hard to be Catholic in, let's say, Iran or Iraq so your argument about being monk in Kosovo is jut not hard enough. But if you think that GOX is true church you should say this to bp Artemije and see what he'll say...

Brother,

I belive that You are mistaken. You most likely misunderstood or it was lost in translation. Or His words could be deemed prophetic today,How does the group being led by your dear fr Akakios look to most people today? ArchBishop Artemije was always a staunch defender of True Orthodoxy,by His life,words,and deeds. You should read some of His many writings. There is more,much more to true Orthodoxy than the cut/and paste journal revnitel or walking around with a plastic bag full of photograph cut-outs where ecumenists are gathered together.
I am talking about the heart and soul of Serbia, Holy Kosovo and Methohije,and ArchBishop Artemije has been a true warrior on that sacred battlefield. We welcome all Vuk Brankovic's to come and become True Orthodox Serbs Here! It is much more difficult than in Your Parents weekend Cabin, I'll tell You that much for sure.
You should rejoice with heavenly Serbia that the Master has given Her much sinful Children on Earth a Warrior Bishop, respected by All,and feared by the enemies of the True Cross.