Letter of Bp. Demetrios about Recent events in HOCNA

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Re: Letter of Bp. Demetrios about Recent events in HOCNA

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joasia wrote:

As I mentioned in another post, the heresy of name-worshiping sounds the same as the Hari K. They believe that saying the name of K is the power of their god. It's in saying it. I believe that if we understand the source of the movement of name-worshiping, we will see that the path leads to them which is a group within Buddhism. This is what is infiltrating into the Orthodox faith (whether new or old calendar). I'll still include the new calendarists under Orthodoxy just to distinguish between Orthodoxy and other "Christian" religious beliefs. Of course, we see it plausible with the new calendarists because they are so ecumenical. They have been infiltrated by this ideology for a long time. But, it is also effecting the old caledarists. So we have to question the faith of those who teach this.

I think we should examine the source of influence of those in HOCNA who support name-worshiping. I guarantee that you will find that they have been influenced by Buddhism. Once we find the source, then we can identify the problem.

It is so important to understand the other religions. The Apostles and holy fathers were quite aware of what the other religions taught and when they saw reminiscences of those beliefs expressed in the Orthodox faithful, they addressed them with great force.

We must educate ourselves about other religions in order to understand how to defend against them.

Is there any evidence that Name-Worshipping originally arose under Buddhist influence? I don't know of any. And HK didn't grow out of Buddhism, as far as I know, but Hinduism. Of course, Buddhism itself is a kind of Hindu offshoot, but one that took place 2500 years ago. HK is only a century old.

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Re: Letter of Bp. Demetrios about Recent events in HOCNA

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jgress wrote:
joasia wrote:

As I mentioned in another post, the heresy of name-worshiping sounds the same as the Hari K. They believe that saying the name of K is the power of their god. It's in saying it. I believe that if we understand the source of the movement of name-worshiping, we will see that the path leads to them which is a group within Buddhism. This is what is infiltrating into the Orthodox faith (whether new or old calendar). I'll still include the new calendarists under Orthodoxy just to distinguish between Orthodoxy and other "Christian" religious beliefs. Of course, we see it plausible with the new calendarists because they are so ecumenical. They have been infiltrated by this ideology for a long time. But, it is also effecting the old caledarists. So we have to question the faith of those who teach this.

I think we should examine the source of influence of those in HOCNA who support name-worshiping. I guarantee that you will find that they have been influenced by Buddhism. Once we find the source, then we can identify the problem.

It is so important to understand the other religions. The Apostles and holy fathers were quite aware of what the other religions taught and when they saw reminiscences of those beliefs expressed in the Orthodox faithful, they addressed them with great force.

We must educate ourselves about other religions in order to understand how to defend against them.

Is there any evidence that Name-Worshipping originally arose under Buddhist influence? I don't know of any. And HK didn't grow out of Buddhism, as far as I know, but Hinduism. Of course, Buddhism itself is a kind of Hindu offshoot, but one that took place 2500 years ago. HK is only a century old.

Let's face it, heresy is part of our fallen human nature.

The Messianic Jews (MJ) practice a similar heresy too.

I have known quite a few Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians too, who abandoning the True Church and the Holy Fathers, seek out novel and ancient teachings by following the Judaizers. These Judaizers teach that everyone must follow the Mosaic Law, which supposedly includes not pronouncing the name of G-d or L-rd, neither are they allowed to write vowels or vowel points to convey the words for G-D and L-RD in any language. Yet, instead of writing and saying "Jesus," they commonly use "Yeshua" without the use of any dashes.

Not only do the MJs believe in the Name-Worshipping Heresy, they also believe in the Rapture. Because Orthodox Christians are not millennialists and do not believe that it is necessary to rebuild the Jewish Temple at Jerusalem, these MJs and Judaizers teach that we are anti-Semitic. They note that since we do not worship the name of God by refusing to write "L-rd" and "G-d," we are committing blasphemy and scandalizing them.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.

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Is there any evidence that Name-Worshipping originally arose under Buddhist influence? I don't know of any. And HK didn't grow out of Buddhism, as far as I know, but Hinduism. Of course, Buddhism itself is a kind of Hindu offshoot, but one that took place 2500 years ago. HK is only a century old.

My error. HK is from Hinduism.

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Maria,

I'm confused. If these MJ's and Judaizers believe that we shouldn't say the word God and that we shouldn't even write it then how are they name-worshippers? The name-worshippers believe in the power of saying Jesus Christ. The MJ and Judaizers are jews. Their focus is on God not Jesus Christ. The name-worshippers are believers of Jesus Christ.

Sorry. I'm confused.

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joasia wrote:

Maria,

I'm confused. If these MJ's and Judaizers believe that we shouldn't say the word God and that we shouldn't even write it then how are they name-worshippers? The name-worshippers believe in the power of saying Jesus Christ. The MJ and Judaizers are jews. Their focus is on God not Jesus Christ. The name-worshippers are believers of Jesus Christ.

Sorry. I'm confused.

The MJs are not Jesus Name-Worshippers, they are "Name-Worshippers" nevertheless because they worship the name of God.
It is the same illness.

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