RTOC consecrated a Bishop for Serbian TOC

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Why the Russians two days after their visit to Archbishop Kallinikos and his objections to the ordiantion of HIS priest (fr. Akakios) they proceed to this action? Were they truly looking forward to our union or not ?

According what I heard, it was not any "canonical objections" against Fr. Akakije from Abp Kallinikos, he only said "he is not prepared to be Bishop", so our Bishop Germongen asked him about canonical objections which forgive Fr. Akakije to be ordained as a bishop, again Abp. Kallinikos said "he is not prepared to be Bishop", it is not a canonical objection . Anyway, soon we will do a official statement about the whole of matter. I also know other details, therefore, now, I am able to say that for many time, Greeks were doing their besto for obstructing any self-administration of our Serbian brothers. And Greeks are not exactly the most suitable for speaking against the chauvinism.

Did Akakios and the 2 other Clerics with Him receive a Canonical release from their ArchBishop? Also within the Serbian GOC more Clerics were against this elevation does that come under consideration Batushka? The faithful have first hand knowledge of what is going on in Serbia,while most of us are drinking from the cool aid being served by the Akakian supporters thru mass media.

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Tryphon wrote:
Priest Siluan wrote:
Ekklisiastikos wrote:

Why the Russians two days after their visit to Archbishop Kallinikos and his objections to the ordiantion of HIS priest (fr. Akakios) they proceed to this action? Were they truly looking forward to our union or not ?

According what I heard, it was not any "canonical objections" against Fr. Akakije from Abp Kallinikos, he only said "he is not prepared to be Bishop", so our Bishop Germongen asked him about canonical objections which forgive Fr. Akakije to be ordained as a bishop, again Abp. Kallinikos said "he is not prepared to be Bishop", it is not a canonical objection . Anyway, soon we will do a official statement about the whole of matter. I also know other details, therefore, now, I am able to say that for many time, Greeks were doing their besto for obstructing any self-administration of our Serbian brothers. And Greeks are not exactly the most suitable for speaking against the chauvinism.

Did Akakios and the 2 other Clerics with Him receive a Canonical release from their ArchBishop? Also within the Serbian GOC more Clerics were against this elevation does that come under consideration Batushka? The faithful have first hand knowledge of what is going on in Serbia,while most of us are drinking from the cool aid being served by the Akakian supporters thru mass media.

How many TOC clergymen are in Serbia? Are/were all of them under GOC-Abp Kallinikos? are there other TOC jurisdictions and TOC Clergymen? Thank you.

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You cannot set a fire to other people's house and then you leave them deal with the burned stuff !

I'm surprised for you father for being so sure of what was discussed at this "meeting", though you are living thousands miles away.

It would be intersting to see Archbishop Kallinikos ordain you bishop for Chile and a Achbishop's Tychon priest for Odessa without asking nobody and then call RTOC for union. Would you be ok with such an action?

p.s. Doesn't matter where I belong to, but if I am writing the truth but don't worry I am member of the Genuine Orthodox Church!

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Mark Templet wrote:

I pray for the best to come out of this situation now. The best would be for cool heads and calmness in reactions.

Truly this is the right way!

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sava wrote:

You cannot set a fire to other people's house and then you leave them deal with the burned stuff !

I'm surprised for you father for being so sure of what was discussed at this "meeting", though you are living thousands miles away.

It would be intersting to see Archbishop Kallinikos ordain you bishop for Chile and a Achbishop's Tychon priest for Odessa without asking nobody and then call RTOC for union. Would you be ok with such an action?

p.s. Doesn't matter where I belong to, but if I am writing the truth but don't worry I am member of the Genuine Orthodox Church!

Dear in Christ,

Our situation is not the same one, we are a mission in a missionary territory.

GOC has some priests in historical Russian territory, I know.

And, of course, I am very far, but I received some information from "second hand", that is to say, directly from some who was there.

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Priest Siluan wrote:

Our situation is not the same one, we are a mission in a missionary territory.

This is exactly what Serbia is! Since the serbian hierarchy fell into apostasy then the serbian autocephallic church is vanished and Serbia is a missionary territory!

Priest Siluan wrote:

Greeks were doing their besto for obstructing any self-administration of our Serbian brothers. And Greeks are not exactly the most suitable for speaking against the chauvinism.

This is Greek chauvinism fr. Siluan :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnPIDuvP ... re=related

The Greeks around Greece, USA and Australia..are those who collected money for the construction of their monasteries and not the Russians! Were where the Russians all these years? This is at least UNGRATEFULNESS and Greeks don't know this word! Instead they have the word "filotimo"

("pride" it's not the correct google translation for "filotimo"..)

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Thank you, dear Ekklisiastikos, I think we should put everything in the God`s hands, honestly I think, God and time will tell who are truly Bp. Akakije and his people. " by their fruits ye shall know them"

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