WHAT A SHAMEFUL UNION!!!

Evfimy · Post by **Evfimy** » Fri 8 February 2008 10:21 pm

What am I hiding behind? I told you my name (Evfimy).

I don't agree with your analysis that a priest's words are more weighty. Many priests today are passionate and earthbound (attached to this world).

Evfimy · Post by **Evfimy** » Fri 8 February 2008 10:24 pm

And Silver is right on this. You are focussing (red herring) the attention away from the real issue. The issue is that the Moscow-ROCA union was indeed a shame. And remember, many priests were for this union. And if any priest tells you he is for this union, you need to run from that priest ASAP.

Evfimy · Post by **Evfimy** » Fri 8 February 2008 10:26 pm

Of course this is the way I have been taught as a traditionalist. I really don't know anymore.

GOCPriestMark · Post by **GOCPriestMark** » Fri 8 February 2008 10:49 pm

It is entirely possible that their names are Evfimy and Silver, (it's Mr. Silver btw.)

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Sat 9 February 2008 2:03 am

Ecumenism is heresy

We should define Ecumenism and what it means to be an Ecumenist.
Ecumenism is a new heresy which has appeared in our days, and Ecumenists are the followers and expounders of this movement. Ecumenism is a fearful and dangerous heresy from which we Orthodox must stand far apart. Indeed, we ought to fight against it by enlightening those Orthodox who are ignorant of Ecumenism and what it entails.
Ecumenism maintains that: the truth and Grace of Christ is not to be found in any one single Church, but partially in all Churches. A little bit of it is to be found in the Orthodox Church, a little bit in the Papal, and a little bit in the Protestant Churches. Now if we put all these Churches together and create an Ecumenical Church we also unite all the pieces of the faith and the truth, and come up with the whole truth of Christ. The Ecumenical Church, the Ecumenists claim, is a tree with many branches. (This is the so-called "Branch Theory"). In this way they try to deceive the simple-minded. Each branch is a Church. Orthodoxy is one branch, Papalism another, Protestantism yet another, and so on. Put all the branches together as composing one tree and you come up with the Church of Christ—which of course is a "Church" of all the heresies and false teachings.But if this is so, then one ask, where is the one Church which Lord Jesus Christ established? Where is the one and only truth, the one body, the one Spirit, the one Lord, the one faith, the one baptism of which St. Paul speaks (Eph. 4, 4-6)? How can Orthodoxy stand side by side with heresy, faith with unbelief, truth with error? It is impossible.
Ecumenism was invented supposedly to do away with division and unite divided Christianity. But that which is divided cannot be joined, and the Ecumenists shall never achieve the "union of the Churches" because there are not many Churches but only one Church of Christ: The Orthodox Catholic Church which all may join by repenting of their errors and by renouncing their false doctrines.
Then shall we have the wondrous union of all in the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Christ. This is the universality and ecumenicity of the Church. This, and not the Ecumenism of His Holiness Patriarch Alexy and WCC General Secretary Dr Korand.

Stan Silver
Montreal, QC

Evfimy · Post by **Evfimy** » Sat 9 February 2008 2:29 pm

GOCPriestMark wrote:
It is entirely possible that their names are Evfimy and Silver, (it's Mr. Silver btw.)

Not only is it possible, but it happens to be the case with me. I don't have to prove anything. If someone is going to assert the preposterous, the burden of proof is on them. Prove my name is not Evfimy.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » Sat 9 February 2008 6:48 pm

..............We have been confused by the Epistle of the October 2000 Sobor of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. It has appeared to us that a radical departure from the long-held positions of our church regarding the Moscow Patriarchate has been decided and expressed in the Epistle. It also appears to us to depart from the Sorrowful Epistles of our former first Hierarch, Metropolitan Philaret of Blessed Memory. When we have cited those epistles, we have been corrected and told that they represent the private opinions of Metropolitan Philaret and therefore do not constitute the "official" position of our Church Abroad. The October Epistle also appears to us to depart from the "official" conciliar decisions of our Bishops anathametizing ecumenism and those who participate with ecumenical groups. When we questioned this we were told that we wrongly interpreted the letter to the Serbian Patriarch requesting help in developing potentially unifying relationships with the Moscow Patriarchate. It has appeared to us that our Bishops are requesting the help of "heretics" in uniting with "apostates". But when we asked for clarity in this regard we have encountered denial...........

Stan Silver
Montreal Q.C.