scwaterfowl wrote:Pravoslavnik,
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Theophan,
How did we make the jump to Rome?? At least the Copts say the same creed as we do. Again, ROCOR has always been in communion with Antioch, but our clergy have not concelebrated. I may not like everything the Antiochians do, but they are still Orthodox. Maybe you are concerned that now they may become more traditional?? Communion/concelebration works both ways.Juvenaly,
Apology accepted.
Because of what Patriarch Alexis and his friend Pavle have said about the current and previous Popes. Putin who was the driving force behind the ROCOR/MP merger and as the cermonies of unification showed is an extremely important player in all this has said that he wants the MP to work out some deal with the Vatitican. With what was the majior critic of false ecumenism now out of the way all is set for the apostasy to speed up. Will we in two or three years accept to see you here telling us that your Russian Church was ALWAYS one with the RCC basically? I can already hear the arguments that will be used. I heard them when I was in your MP.
How can a Church throw out an Ecumenical council and still be considered Orthodox?
And as regards being in Communion how can that be when Antioch and all the other fallen away Patriachates considered ROCOR to be non-canonical, considered ROCOR to be schismatic?
Have you ever heard the words "Karlovitsky schism"? Have you ever wondered why ROCOR used to take priests fleeing the apostasy of false ecumenism without canonical release, priests who in some cases had been defrocked?
Communion and concelebration works both ways you say?
I have reservations about where Drewmiester and Juvenaly bow their heads, but they at least are trying to hold onto the Orthodox faith in these dark times. In all likelihood they are much more truelly Christian than me (which wouldnt be hard). You however believe yourself above Ecumenical councils. Not a good starting point.
Theophan.
