What Would It Take For The MP To Be Traditionalist?

[Jean-Serge]

habaemus papa (-ae)! LOL! But the smoke doesn't seem to be white...
R

Yes this papa is Alexey Drozdov II, and the smoke is really stinking... Phewww

[pjhatala]

"ROCOR" with Laurus is already in heresy, and joining MP will only make it more official.

Another well thought out and supported statement. Thank you for your meaningful contribution!

[Kollyvas]

renovationism is a statement that Tradition is mutable, that the life in the Holy Spirit is somehow anachronistic or not applicable to modern times, that a reformed, positivist, contemporary appraisal be made of the Fathers, Canons, good order, administration, etc. of the Church. It is precisely heretical for it seeks to replace the theandric life with a legal/social/humanist structure. Woshipping the calf instead of God, Christ's Body being the Church. Here, man worships his own creation calling it "the church" while maintaining the Church is out-of-date, removed from man's current reality. The renovationist argument becomes that the AUTHENTIC life in the Holy Spirit is a superstition; hence, abolish everything & just worship as "we" would say or dictate and accept what we say has grace or apostolic succession "because we understand these things better." "We are the councils." "we are the truth." Dostoevsky writes about this blasphemy masquerading as the Church when he writes about the Grand Inquisitor in THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV. Sounds kind of like some crude magisterium, huh?! We've seen clear rightwing expressions of it here (visa vis the canons, need for conciliarity, nonsensical ecclesiological models, etc.), but the leftwing is more common in the Oikumene--take a look at the Church of Finland or the GOA in a America to get a good look at renovationism on the left.

This thread is concerned with constructive assessments of the MP and not vladimir moss heretical nonsense. That can be taken elsewhere. Keep it on your own threads.
R
I don't know which pope is flakier, the one in Rome or others we see here...LOL!

[ultra_sinful]

À la mort de l’héroïque confesseur de la foi Tikhon, Staline “nomma” son propre candidat au patriarcat de Moscou, porte ouverte à l’infiltration systématique des agents de l’athéisme militant dans l’appareil ecclésiastique. Tous les évêques et les fidèles qui s’opposèrent ouvertement a cette usurpation furent déportés et/ou exécutés, vivifiant l’Église des catacombes d’innombrables saints martyrs. Avec eux, le synode des évêques de l’Église orthodoxe russe hors frontières ne reconnaît aucune autorité au patriarcat soviétique de Moscou issu de cette usurpation, ni aux groupes de l’immigration russe en communion avec lui.

[Kollyvas]

and there are Bishops who have scandalously burned incense before the statue of nero...
R

[Jean-Serge]

and there are Bishops who have scandalously burned incense before the statue of nero...
R

But these bishops later repented, were given eptimies and in no way they asserted burning incense before Nero's statue served to save the church... The MP only have stalinist succession not apostolical one...

[Kollyvas]

donatism. One cannot fight heresy (in this case uncondemned), or "determine apostolic succession" with CONDEMNED heresies, using heretical reasonings(ultramontanism) to assert a heretical ecclesiology (montanism) and pharisaically bait and crudely/crassly attack other Orthodox Christians due to perceived PERSONAL sins/canonical infractions (donatism) and be considered Orthodox. Some should travel back through the looking glass.
R