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ultra_sinful wrote:

There is no benefit for us to unite with the St. Nicolas church or any other , uncanonical, altered and unrepentent orthodox church.

What a bunch of fanatical nonsense. You, sir, speak like a neo-Montanist. Your "pure" Church has no need of that lesser dredge; your church is white as snow and only would be debased by such unions, right?

WRONG. Christ calls us to love our enemies and work for unity. Even if the Laurus Synod is schismatic (I don't think that although I think they are harming themselves with the MP union) you should still work for their return to the fold. You should associate with them in love and try to bring them back if that is how you perceive it. Stick to your witness but do it in love. Being "right" is not a license to be self-enclosed elitist.

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If we are commanded not to judge, and we are commanded not to argue another man his religion, why then do people persist on loosing men and binding the sin of schism?

We all confess Jesus Christ is Lord, we all believe the Nicene Creed, we all believe the Church Fathers and the Rudder. Constant schism is senseless.

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then you will agree with this aswell

Pope Appeals for Effort to Overcome Christian Division
On Opening the Week of Prayer for Unity

VATICAN CITY, JAN. 18, 2006 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI encouraged commitment to overcome the division among the followers of Christ, as the Pope marked the start of the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity.

The Holy Father said that the Week of Prayer is "an important appointment to reflect on the tragedy of the division of the Christian community and to pray with Jesus himself 'that they may all be one so that the world may believe.'"

The Pope's words were heard today by 8,000 people gathered in Paul VI Hall for the general audience.

Benedict XVI himself will close the Week of Prayer on Jan. 25, in the Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls, presiding over a vigil that will be attended by representatives of various Christian confessions.

On this occasion, the Week of Prayer will serve to initiate the preparation of the third European Ecumenical Assembly. This process will culminate with events in Sibiu, Romania, from Sept. 4-8, 2007.

The Pope explained that "the prayer for unity forms part of that central nucleus that the Second Vatican Council calls 'the soul of the whole ecumenical movement,' a nucleus that includes precisely public and private prayers, conversion of heart and holiness of life."

Will of God

"This view," he continued, "presents us the core of the ecumenical problem which is obedience to the Gospel to do the will of God with his necessary and effective help."

"The elements that, despite the lasting division, continue to unite Christians sustain the possibility to raise a common prayer to God," the Holy Father said.

This communion in Christ "sustains the whole ecumenical movement and indicates the objective of the search for the unity of all Christians in the Church of God," he said.

Benedict XVI distinguished the ecumenical movement from other initiatives of dialogue with other religions and ideologies.

Quoting Vatican II's decree "Unitatis Redintegratio," he clarified: "This movement toward unity is called 'ecumenical.' Those belong to it who invoke the Triune God and confess Jesus as Lord and Savior."

In fact, the Catholic Church does not use the term "ecumenism" to refer to relations with non-Christians, but rather "interreligious dialogue."

According to the Pontiff, the prayers that will be raised over these seven days express "the will of a common effort for the re-establishment of the full communion of all Christians."

Fraternity

"But we do not limit ourselves to implore," he said. "We can also give thanks to the Lord for the new situation that, with effort, has been created in the ecumenical relations among Christians with the fraternity that has been found again through the strong bonds of solidarity established, of the growth of communion and of the convergences carried out."

The Successor of Peter is convinced that "there are many reasons to thank God."

"And if there is still much to be done and to hope for, let us not forget that God has given us much on the path of unity," he said. "The future is before us."

Benedict XVI concluded by appealing for prayer "so as to be aware that the holy cause of the re-establishment of Christian unity exceeds our poor human efforts and that unity, finally, is a gift of God."

"God and our love are the condition for the unity of Christians," he said. "They are the condition for peace in the world."
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CC,

Who are you directing that post at? If it's at me, you're misguided, because I clearly said we should maintain a witness, but do it charitably. I am talking about union between Orthodox peoples that share the faith of Christ here, not about union with heterodox.

That being said, the division between Orthodoxy and Catholicism is also very sad. It would be quite a blessing from God if it could be healed--provided, of course, the RCC rejects its heresies. I am for unity, but only in Orthodoxy.

My objection in the above poster's comments was his insinuation that it's ok to be happy with your own church and not look beyond it to the people that are your neighbors. This is not charitable. Truth must be preached in love.

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they are some who pretend to be "orthodox" that are as much "in the potatoes" as are the roman catholics. their so called "leaders" are deceiving devils like the roman pope is, and they also preach ecumenism and pan-orthodox as well as pan-religious unity and are also members, like catholic leaders, of the world council of chuches, this sort of united nations of religions. this world council of chuches is an abomination to God and extremely blasphemous. this promotion of "world peace" and "fraternity" among men through the blending of religions and denominations is the most wicked and deceiving heresy ever.

how is it possible not to see this deception? how is it possible for Christians to pray with jews, muslims, pagans, ... when it is not even possible to pray with roman catholics, protestants or pseudo-orthodox?

this is not permitted.

these leaders acts as "bus drivers". if the driver decides to turn into the precipice, he brings all his passengers with him.

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Orthodox6 you are wrong, my post was for anyone, including you if you would like---Many Fathers of the CHURCH have warned us , that when one speaks and is not what is felt in the Heart it can only deceive, for obvious the most deceived is the one who follows his mind alone and not the Heart w/the mind...
read todays epistle James 1 :19-27

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roman catholicism is not to be debated because it as not kept with traditions and has been introducing countless innovations throughout the centuries before and since the split of 1054. roman catholicism is not christianity, it is not of Christ and it is very blasphemous. I know what it is, I was roman catholic before I joined the Orthodox Church and received Holy Baptism.

2 Thessalonians 2:14-16

Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

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