Moderator: Mark Templet
Very good points gg.
5) in the 70's the ROCOR bishops gave an order to commemerate in the Eucharist Fr. Dimitry Dudko and other true believers of the MP...if they viewed the Mp as absolutely out of the Church they could not have done this...and if they did not view the Mp as absolutely out of the Church, then how could they consider the Churches of World Orthodoxy as out of the Church?
As to this point...isn't the true issue of seperation, the falling away of a clergy, from God's will? God would not support atheism or communism. Did Fr. Dimitri support these evils? If not, then there is no problem with commemorating him. He lived and died for the true faith.
Basically, reading all these arguements...I have come to feel that you all have put the cart before the horse. You have lost your perspectives of the spiritual issues.
I'm not condoning ecumenism. But, there are good souls who are trying to live the faith, in all these jurisdictions. I am considered out of the Grace of God, by other jurisdictions, because I go to ROCOR. So when I go for Holy Communion, should I think that I am not getting any Grace???
That's plain demonic and we know who the source of these thoughts are. What a beautiful plan...make the people so paranoid that they will inevidably deny God's Grace, even though it's there.
We know the Orthodox saints lived and died for their faith. Any other soul outside of the true faith, is living in a semi-truthful faith. The full truth is the only truth.
History has shown that there were heretical bishops, but it didn't deter the faithful bishops or laymen from living the true faith. And history has shown that God will make His judgement known...He will expose the unrighteous and glorify His servants.
At this point in time in 2005, I don't see any hierarchy as being faithful to the canons. If they were, then we would all know where to go and there would be no confusion.
These arguements go around in circles and get nowhere. It's all about male egos and pride. Get over yourselves...humble yourselves and stop trying to post replies that you think will trap someone else or refute their comment...and just live for the faith and be as brothers.
Oh, brother, where art thou? The demons must be rolling on the ground with laughter because of you guys. You're such easy targets.
Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)
The arguements are corrects and true, they seem quite enlightening and a great post to talk about. But this post here is about John Romanides's idea of Crypto-Augustinians. And let's remember John Romanides didn't consider Saint Augustine a Saint.
And let us all remind ourselves that here is the "Traditionalist" Churches section, so speaking the talk of spirituality in the "Praxis" and "Theology and Tradition" and "Prayer Life" Sections.
Fr Silouan,
Metropolitan Giovanni was received into the GOC by Metropolitan Kallistos of Corinth by baptism (becuase his reception into the MP was by chrismation only), and was subsequently ordained through all the ranks.
Met Cyprian in the 1990's baptized a Nestorian bishop (although I am not sure if it was a real Nestorian bishop or a poser, as these days it's "in vogue" to copy and pretend to be Syriac among vagantes) named Jacob Barclay I believe and he is now a monk in Fili. This goes to show that they do not accept the mysteries of Non-Orthodox.
Which publications have you read from Etna or Fili that lead you believe that they are renovationist? I have read almost all of the Etna publications and many from Fili and I don't detect such a heresy in their writings.
Anastasios
Fr Siluan
I decided long time ago never to debate with priests. But I think you will find another view if you read the homepage of TOC. http://www.synodinresistance.gr/
Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword...from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.
Oswald Spengler
AMDG wrote:Fr Siluan
I decided long time ago never to debate with priests. But I think you will find another view if you read the homepage of TOC. http://www.synodinresistance.gr/
Dear in Christ:
I will try not to speak more on the topic, because I see that to speak of the Synod of the Resistance takes to big debates, and this is not new the same thing happened (and it continues happening) between people of ROCOR, when they entered in communion with the Synod of Met Kiprianos.
Also all know that the authentic ones and canonically GOC that is the case of the low Synod Arz Chrysostomos II rejects the genuineness of the Synod of the Resistance. I think that it is not a smaller fact.
