Father Arseny, an Invented Literary Figure?

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Nope. The response of a person who has a life and doesn't spend every waking hour surfing the net responding to wackos.

The book is held up as a true story -- how is it "wacky" to ask for documentation that this person existed?

His response is typical by those who can not back back up their claims, so they try to put the focus back on the "real reason" the person asked the question.

That is so not true. The person didn't ask for verification. It was just another attempt to discredit the Church in Russia in any way possible.

I hereby make the claim that TomS is really a KGB agent with the codename "LoonMountain". PROVE you're not, Tom!!
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The same could be said about many of the saints in the Bible, Tom, and anti-Christians say the same thing about Christians in general.

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TomS wrote:
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Actually, Tom, it is the responsibility of the accuser to provide the proof. All that exists in that article are paper accusations and allusions to proof, but no real proof that is demonstrable nor verifiable.

In the US -- yes. But how does someone PROVE that someone did not exist when there are no documents to prove that the person DID exist.

The Russian Orthodox Church is full of "miracles" and other such stories because it still has an uneducated Russian peasant mindset.

How do you know there aren't documents to prove he exists? I hereby make the claim that Deacon Nikolai does not exist. He is the fabrication of Orthodoxy or Death. Prove you exist, Dcn Nikolai! And when you give proof, I will just say that OOD made the documents on photoshop. I mean come on, Tom. Do you know what the evidence is in Russia? No. Neither do I. That's why it's incumbant on the accusor. Until I read this, I had never heard anyone else say that Fr Arseny didn't exist.

As far as miracles, do you deny that miracles exist? People have been denying miracles since before the time of Christ, but that doesn't stop them from occurring! LOL

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anastasios wrote:

As far as miracles, do you deny that miracles exist? People have been denying miracles since before the time of Christ, but that doesn't stop them from occurring! LOL

But it also does not prove that they DO occur.

Whether I believe in miracles depends on How you define a "Miracle". If you define them scientifically as a once-in-million anomaly, then YES - I DO believe that they occur. It's simply an anomaly in nature.

But if you ask me if God reaches down and performs them directly -- I am not so sure he does.

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If God created nature, then wouldn't miracles just be Him acting in an anomoly? :)

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Quote: "The Russian Orthodox Church is full of "miracles" and other such stories because it still has an uneducated Russian peasant mindset."

You know Tom, I don't care if you are saying these things just to get some discussion going or whatever, but really sometimes you come across as just a jerk.

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anastasios wrote:

If God created nature, then wouldn't miracles just be Him acting in an anomoly? :)

Yes. But I am saying that it is not done to benefit a specific person. Then it would not be an anomaly.

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