Choral concert at Chicago ROCOR Cathedral

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Wed 30 June 2004 10:02 am

<sigh> These things were said by the Holy Fathers because they were APPLICABLE to the CULTURAL PERIOD in which the Holy Fathers lived! Geez. Try using a little of those brain cells that God gave you!

ORPRcamper · Post by **ORPRcamper** » Wed 30 June 2004 10:06 am

Excuse me, but you seem to be thinking along the lines of the newest protestant heresy, and that is "The Church For a New Generation" i.e. changing the traditions of the Church to fit in with todays culture. And my friend it is WRONG!

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Wed 30 June 2004 10:10 am

ORPRcamper wrote:
Excuse me, but you seem to be thinking along the lines of the newest protestant heresy, and that is "The Church For a New Generation" i.e. changing the traditions of the Church to fit in with todays culture. And my friend it is WRONG!

"changing the traditions of the Church to fit in with todays culture. "

I really don't feel like going down the list of Church canons and traditions that are no longer practiced by the Orthodox church. And why not? Because they were created to address issues that are no longer relevant today.

Read Byzantine History, read the Church history - do some research on your own -- Knowledge is a good thing and NOT ALWAYS EVIL!

ORPRcamper · Post by **ORPRcamper** » Wed 30 June 2004 10:14 am

Traditions such as the covering of a woman's head are as relevant as ever!

Seraphim Reeves · Post by **Seraphim Reeves** » Wed 30 June 2004 10:17 am

Just a thought (not actually aimed at anyone specifically, since I cannot claim to know that anyone here actually holds to this contradictory view)...

"Orthodox" modernism seems to not know what it wants. On one hand, there is the claimed desire to "return to the usages of the ancient fathers" - thus, encouraging frequent Holy Communion (without the traditional fast and confession beforehand), insisting that only the most minimalistic of iconostases be used in the Churches, etc.

On the other hand, the same persons also tend to support any number of "concessions" that can be extended to the indifference and "cultural values" of modern people.

If only they were advocating public confession/penances for many capital sins which are now dealt with solely in a private manner, a return to the very strict penances for sins we now consider "unfortunate, but common" (as if they were not common amongst the pagan Romans!), the strict barring of all unbaptized persons from the Church proper (and even removal of the catechumen before the Holy Oblation was performed), and the like, I might be able to take such claims of a desire for "return" a little more seriously.

Seraphim

TomS · Post by **TomS** » Wed 30 June 2004 10:19 am

ORPRcamper wrote:
Traditions such as the covering of a woman's head are as relevant as ever!

What makes you so sure? A majority of Orthodox Churches in the US do not enforce it; so I propose that it is cultural. Or are you prepared to run down that path screaming Anathema! at your Orthodox sisters?

Natasha · Post by **Natasha** » Wed 30 June 2004 10:19 am

"Try using a little of those brain cells that God gave you!"

Yes, you are so much smarter than the rest of us Tom. Let us pray that we should all be as enlightened as you.