OOD,
ecumenists who are desperate to have a "saint"
I have seen even those in the OCA promote the veneration of Saint John Maximovich. Such a blanket condemnation as you said I don't think is entirely accurate. But in general I would tend to agree with you.
What I do not understand is what you said about Papa Nicholas Planas. My understanding is that he was one of the priests who served liturgy for the Old Calendarists in Greece before they had bishops.
My understanding is that he was one of the priests who served liturgy for the Old Calendarists in Greece before they had bishops.
That may well be true, and don't misunderstand me, I am not "condemning" anyone. I am simply asking for more information from romiosini on his claims about our "priests". I am also making a point that nicholas planas' past is not as cozy as some would have, and that there are real saints to be named as such.
As you seem to agree, there seems to be this whole propaganda machine in place recently promoting a slew of new "saints", and most of them are "pillars of indifference" to the ecumenist heresy. Unity is a virtue when there is agreement in faith; it is a passion and a failing under an umbrella of differing faiths. This passion is a direct assault on the Word of God.
I agree entirely about the propoganda surrounding some of the "saints" such as that surrounding Athenagoras or the cultus surrounding Alexander Schmemann. But there have been saintly elders within the state church of Greece that that hyper-ecumenists hate such as Elders Philotheos, Porphyrios, Joseph, Paisios et al. In the Serbian Church Father Justin Popovich staunchly opposed modernism as well.
I guess I still don't understand the entire situation with Papa Nicholas as it is HTM in Bostom that publishes the English language of him and has fostered his veneration and not the New Calendarists. FWIW I used to be part of the GOA and Papa Nicholas Planas and the various Elders of Greece were off the radar. Although Schmemann was a hit with a lot of people.
Dear Romiosini,
Please consider these two quotes from your last post:
romiosini wrote:I myself aggree with OOD about the promotion of idiots to sancticty...
Anyways, OOD you should think about answering too polemicly.
I understand people here don't take too well to Schmemann, Athenagoras, etc., and relate better to various Greek elders, traditionalist heroes, etc., and I personally have no stance on any of these guys*, but it is probably better to pray for the dead instead of calling them idiots.
Mor Ephrem wrote:it is probably better to pray for the dead instead of calling them idiots.
Well put....especially since for us Orthodox, an "idiot" may actually be a Fool for Christ, hiding their virtue.
At any rate, it surprises me how even unbelievers often behave better and with more manners than we do by not speaking ill of the dead. The Greek word for a well mannered person is "Evgenikos" which means: "well born". A Christian is "well born" since he or she is born "of the water and the Spirit"; therefore we should behave with the good manners fitting to such a birth.
"As long as it depends on Monothelitism, then Miaphysitism is nothing but a variant of Monophysitism."