Juvenaly wrote:Why is it so difficult for you to do what is asked of you and to call him by his name? It is a matter of respect. He has asked that you respect his choices to b called Nicholas and no matter how many times he asks you refuse. Sadly this seems to be the case with many people.
Respect... maybe its dead along with descency and honor.
Juvenaly
He said Joe or Nicholas is fine. What do you mean "no matter how many times he asks"? He asked once.
juvenaly wrote:
"Why is it so difficult for you to do what is asked of you and to call him by his name? It is a matter of respect. He has asked that you respect his choices to b called Nicholas and no matter how many times he asks you refuse. Sadly this seems to be the case with many people.
Respect... maybe its dead along with descency and honor.
Juvenaly"
perhaps this rejoinder could also be applied to churches poeple on this list belong to, eh?
also, this entire thread-did it ever occur to anybody that the pronouncement of one priest is not the official position of an entire church? of course, when ROAC does such things as excommunicate a name worshipper, a nestorian and a qabalist on the same day and someone comments on the bizarreness and absurdity of such, we get lectures. yet, one priest makes a bizarre statement, and we are to jusdge the entire jurisdiction on that one statement. interesting, indeed!
mwoerl
mwoerl wrote:perhaps this rejoinder could also be applied to churches poeple on this list belong to, eh?
Dear Mwoerl,
I may disagree with Juvenaly on may issues, however, I don't actually think this rejoinder should be applied to churches. In the search for truth, especially where Orthodoxy is concerned, all questions should be askable (even though they may be metaphysical ones). I understood this forum exists so that difficult questions can be asked in an intelligent way. If you disagree with Juvenaly's view, then explain to him why you disagree, and see if your argument holds water. Don't just silence him (or anyone) behind a demand that some questions should not be asked. I belong to a juristiction that Juvenaly probably doesn't think is Orthodox (Synod in Resistence under Met. Cyprian). I'm willing to listen to why he may not think it is Orthodox, and to answer these arguments, just as much as if (God forbid!) I was a Roman Catholic or a Protestant.
mwoerl wrote:also, this entire thread-did it ever occur to anybody that the pronouncement of one priest is not the official position of an entire church?
I think you will find that about the third posting on this thread states this. You see, it did occur to somebody- you just didn't notice.
mwoerl wrote:of course, when ROAC does such things as excommunicate a name worshipper, a nestorian and a qabalist on the same day and someone comments on the bizarreness and absurdity of such, we get lectures. yet, one priest makes a bizarre statement, and we are to jusdge the entire jurisdiction on that one statement. interesting, indeed!
You see, if the rejoinder you refer to in the begininng of your post were to be applied, you would not be able to make such unsarcastic, intelligent observations which are completely dispassionate. 
In Christ,
George
speaking of "unsarcastic" and "completely dispassionate" observations, as you are a member of the Synod in Resistance uinder Met. Cyprian-I wonder-have you ever perused the "Q&A" section of "Orthodox Tradition"?
mwoerl
mwoerl wrote:speaking of "unsarcastic" and "completely dispassionate" observations, as you are a member of the Synod in Resistance uinder Met. Cyprian-I wonder-have you ever perused the "Q&A" section of "Orthodox Tradition"?
Dear Mwoerl,
I'm not sure how much clearer I can be.
Apologetics is not the same as emotional point scoring. For instance, I know what the 'Matthewites' think of the 'Florinites', but I don't accept the Cyprian position the way I follow my favourite Football Team (Collingwood).
George
